Baroque Trumpet Soundfonts

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philtdc08
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Post by philtdc08 » Wed Jun 12, 2024 7:44 pm

Hello All - I am interested in using sounds of Baroque instruments - particularly the Baroque trumpet. I notice when I go into the Score Manager and click on the drop-down menu for Instruments, one of the choices is "Antique" but the program doesn't see able to incorporate those sounds into playback. Under sounds (in Score Manager) the sound is Orchestral Trumpet Player 1 and it doesn't even sound like a Baroque trumpet. In the actual score, the name is Baroque Trumpet but the sound is the Orchestral (modern) Trumpet Player 1. How can I get those Antique instrument sounds to actually work?


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Post by BuonTempi » Thu Jun 13, 2024 12:57 pm

Garritan doesn't have any early music instruments. You'll need to find another sample library, and then set Finale to use a different VST/AU and configure playback to suit the library.

There are Baroque trumpets in Orchestral Tool's Miroire library, which is a pretty good 'Baroque' instruments library, if designed for "Baroque sounding effects in your film score".

https://www.orchestraltools.com/store/c ... ns/miroire

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Post by philtdc08 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:24 pm

Thanks but at 429 Euros ($463.00) that's a little outside my budget. I'm still wondering:
1) If there's something a little cheaper out there, and
2) What are the Antique instruments I see under the Instrument drop-down in Score Manager? They're there but not available somehow....? It doesn't make any sense.

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Post by miker » Thu Jun 13, 2024 2:59 pm

Finale shows instruments that have no (or incorrect) sounds. I don’t know why there can’t be some indication.
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Post by BuonTempi » Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:56 pm

philtdc08 wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:24 pm
Thanks but at 429 Euros ($463.00) that's a little outside my budget. I'm still wondering:
1) If there's something a little cheaper out there, and
2) What are the Antique instruments I see under the Instrument drop-down in Score Manager? They're there but not available somehow....? It doesn't make any sense.
You can just buy one Trumpet for €35, plus vat!

Finale's "instruments" are just notation templates for staff label text, clef, transposition, and range; with some kind of noise from the available samples thrown in.

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Post by philtdc08 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 4:24 pm

Yes - I see that now! I think I'll get that. One question (hopefully my last one!): How do I use the file I get from them in Finale?

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Post by BuonTempi » Thu Jun 13, 2024 8:44 pm

Oh hang on. You'll have to download the SINE Player, which is OT's own equivalent of ARIA. However -- it's just occurred to me that Finale doesn't support VST3 on Windows, so you won't be able to use it!

It would work on Mac, which is why I didn't realise till now. Sorry.

If you really want to get into the world of audio rendering, then TBH, Finale isn't the best notation app for that -- and some would say that using a DAW like Cubase, Reaper, ProTools, etc is better still.

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Post by philtdc08 » Fri Jun 14, 2024 2:20 am

Well, that brings me back to square one - so-to-speak. Looking for Baroque soundfonts that I can use in Finale. Surely SOMEBODY has made some. I know I'm not the only one who could use them.

Also - why does Garritan list "Antique" under the Instrument drop-down? Is this something that used to work and now does not? Or am I just not understanding how to get them to work? Or is there something else I need to download to get them to work?

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Post by BuonTempi » Fri Jun 14, 2024 6:42 am

There was a post on the MakeMusic/Garritan user forum a while ago about Early Music libraries for Finale, and very little came up.

People who are serious about rendering audio tend to use DAWs, rather than notation apps (though that's changing now with some of the new breed of notation apps); and the market for sound libraries tends to be for scoring film and tv soundtracks.

If you want to send me a Finale file, I'll can return some audio to you, and see if that's something you'd want to produce, and what you'd need to do it.
philtdc08 wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2024 2:20 am
Also - why does Garritan list "Antique" under the Instrument drop-down?
Where are you seeing this? Finale has a "Baroque Trumpet" in the Setup Wizard; but I don't see Antique Trumpet anywhere. And Garritan doesn't have Antique Trumpet in either Garritan Instruments for Finale, GPO5, or JABB.

(Finale also lists a Wagner Tuba, but it uses a French Horn sample!)

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Post by philtdc08 » Fri Jun 14, 2024 1:25 pm

I'm not actually seeing "Antique Trumpet" - what I see is in the drop-down menu under Instruments (in ScoreManager), one of the choices is "Antique". Within that are many old instruments including Baroque Trumpet. But - as I said - when you choose that, what show up under Sound (at the far right side of ScoreManage) is Orchestral Trumpet Player I. That's telling me that Finale isn't able (for whatever reason) to connect to the various Antique Instruments. There must be some way to make that work...

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Post by philtdc08 » Fri Jun 14, 2024 1:38 pm

Here's a screenshot of what I'm seeing in ScoreManager:
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Post by BuonTempi » Fri Jun 14, 2024 4:19 pm

philtdc08 wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2024 1:25 pm
That's telling me that Finale isn't able (for whatever reason) to connect to the various Antique Instruments.
The reason being that there are no Antique Instrument samples in any of the Garritan libraries. Finale has to choose something from the available instruments.

Anyway, I quickly knocked up some audio from some 18th-century trumpet voluntary I found the XML for online. I rendered one with NotePerformer's standard trumpet; and the other with the Orchestral Tools' Baroque trumpet.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4msqh02qq75mg ... P.mp3?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/alykzobr ... m2tzr&dl=0

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Post by philtdc08 » Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:44 pm

I really liked the 2nd one. How did you get that sound? I'm assuming not in Finale.

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Post by BuonTempi » Sat Jun 22, 2024 2:30 pm

It might be theoretically possibly in Finale, but I used Dorico, whose audio capabilities are closer to that of a DAW like Logic or Cubase.

It's the Orchestral Tool's Baroque trumpet, and assorted organ stops from Garritan's GPO5/CPO. Plus a bit of reverb.

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Post by philtdc08 » Sat Jun 22, 2024 3:17 pm

Thanks. All of this brings me full circle to one of my original questions: Is there - somewhere "out there" - a Baroque trumpet soundfont I can use in Finale?

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Post by ttw » Mon Jun 24, 2024 12:30 am

I needed some baroque-sounding stuff for a ringtone. I added a trumpet and a clarinet in unison to a horn in high register. It wasn't exact, but many of the notes were played open on a modern horn so some of the ambiance came through. I haven't tried the jazz trumpet or the cornets in combination. The SAM trumpets may be useful though I didn't try them.

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