Playback Duration Bug w/ NP3?

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RVS Lee
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Post by RVS Lee » Sat May 30, 2020 2:29 pm

Dear Friends -
Could someone explain what is happening in this snippet with the 2nd (written) E nat cutting out immediately? Is this an NP3 bug, or is it (as usual) just me?
FWIW I copied/pasted these bars directly from an in progress brass ensemble score (6441/T+5.) Also, I had already cleared and reentered the 2nd measure in the original.
Thanks!!

RVSL
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Post by RVS Lee » Sat May 30, 2020 3:00 pm

Follow up...
This is a fin 25 bug. same thing happens with GifF.
Should have tried this before I posted!

RVSL

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zuill
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Post by zuill » Sat May 30, 2020 3:37 pm

I tested this in v25 and v26 and the second E plays correctly.

Zuill

P.S.: I retested it with HP set to None (same as Spacebar-click) and the E does choke off. So, that may be what you are experiencing.
P.P.S.: If I spacebar-click the second bar, E plays correctly. If I remove the tenuto mark on the first E, the second E plays fine with spacebar-click. Somehow with no HP, the tenuto carries over and interferes with the second E. With HP on, that doesn't happen, at least for me.
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RVS Lee
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Post by RVS Lee » Sat May 30, 2020 4:07 pm

Thanks Zuill -
As always, you've helped narrow this down.
I cleared and reentered the 1st tenuto, and it plays back fine.

RVSL

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Post by motet » Sat May 30, 2020 4:18 pm

The culprit seems to be the playback effect on the tenuto articulation setting the duration to 105%. Setting it to None fixes it, and doesn't sound any different that I can tell, at least with SoftSynth. I'm nut sure why just re-entering it worked.

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Post by motet » Sat May 30, 2020 4:24 pm

The articulation has been duplicated. 63 has the playback effect, while articulation 7 doesn't, so that's why re-entering it worked.

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Post by zuill » Sat May 30, 2020 4:26 pm

That is something I can explain. There are 2 of these articulations in the file. The one with the 105% definition is at the bottom of the list. I believe the other one, with 0 in the playback slot, was the one reapplied. Thus, no duration interference.

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Post by motet » Sat May 30, 2020 4:27 pm

This rang a vague bell, so I opened up Finale 2005 and the tenuto in the default document there has duration = 105%. I now remember having to fix that at some point. So perhaps RVS Lee's file is from an old version, or has music copied in.

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Post by RVS Lee » Sat May 30, 2020 5:15 pm

Thanks again Zuill and Motet! Invaluable help as always...

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