Tempo Slows Down When Meter Changes

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Tempo Slows Down When Meter Changes

Post by BergerTunes » Sat Apr 03, 2021 4:42 pm

Here's another issue I've encountered since upgrading to 26 that I never dealt with before:
I'm working on transcribing a drum set part that has a lot of changes in meter, from 4/4 to 3/4, 4/4 to 7/8, to 5/4, and so on.
Whenever I play back the part, the tempo changes when it encounters one of the new meters other than 4/4. In 4/4, all is well, but anything other than 4/4 is off. Most of the measures play back slower, but there are bars of 2/4 and 5/4 in the midst of groups of 7/8 bars that are actually playing back faster.
I've tried looking through a few settings but nothing seems obvious - Human Playback is selected as "none."
Thanks in advance...

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Re: Tempo Slows Down When Meter Changes

Post by motet » Sat Apr 03, 2021 4:44 pm

If you can attach your file here, someone can check.

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Re: Tempo Slows Down When Meter Changes

Post by miker » Sat Apr 03, 2021 8:39 pm

Have you tried clearing MIDI data?
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Re: Tempo Slows Down When Meter Changes

Post by BergerTunes » Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:53 pm

Sorry to be out of touch for a bit...
I appreciate the responses. I've never done a "clear MIDI data" before - it was never necessary in previous versions so it wasn't something I thought to do. I'll try that ASAP and let you know how it went. if that fails, I'll attach the file.
Thanks again.

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Re: Tempo Slows Down When Meter Changes

Post by BergerTunes » Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:59 pm

OK, clearing MIDI Data did nothing.
I've attached the file.
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Re: Tempo Slows Down When Meter Changes

Post by zuill » Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:31 pm

This may be closer.

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Re: Tempo Slows Down When Meter Changes

Post by BergerTunes » Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:48 pm

Wow - yep, that did it. So what did you do to fix it? I'd love to be able to make sure I can get this right for all future charts. Thank you!

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Re: Tempo Slows Down When Meter Changes

Post by motet » Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:38 am

I'll second the request for an explanation rather than just a repaired file when solving someone's problem.

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Re: Tempo Slows Down When Meter Changes

Post by zuill » Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:35 am

I waited until I made sure the result was what was needed. I figured that if the playback wasn't what was needed, I would wait for the OP's feedback, and then try to get the result right. Since it sounds like what was needed, then the answer can be given.

Basically, Independent Time Signature was checked in Staff Attributes. It took me a while to find that, as I was looking other places. I went into Studio View early on and saw that the Tempo Tap (top staff) was in 4/4 all the way. That was odd. It should have changed as the Percussion Staff changed. So, I had to keep poking around. When looking in Staff Attributes, I saw Independent Time Signature Checked. Odd. Only one staff, so why? I unchecked that. However, that created a new problem. All the measures that had other time signatures were now either underfilled or overfilled measures, as everything was now 4/4. I didn't want to have to print out the original file and then recreate the changing signatures, so I relied on Jari's JW Meter and Rhythm plugin to automatically detect the TS for each of the measures where the meter had changed when Independent Time Signature had been selected. I am curious as to why Independent Time Signatures was selected.

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Re: Tempo Slows Down When Meter Changes

Post by BergerTunes » Wed May 05, 2021 9:51 pm

This is bad news, because I never "selected" anything. I started with a drum set template that I've had since Finale 2014 that never, EVER had an issue like this. Something seems to have changed in the upgrade.
I don't want to have to rely on some outside plugin to solve an issue like this. Maybe I'll create a new drum set template and see if it does the same thing. If it does, I'm going to have to reconsider having done this upgrade.
Thanks for sharing.

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Re: Tempo Slows Down When Meter Changes

Post by zuill » Thu May 06, 2021 12:51 am

Does your template have Independent Time Signature selected in Staff Attributes? If you want, we can check the template for you to see what might be up.

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Re: Tempo Slows Down When Meter Changes

Post by BergerTunes » Mon May 10, 2021 4:00 pm

I've abandoned the old 2014 template and have created a new one from scratch. The new one works fine and has no issues with meter changes at all, everything stays at the same tempo.
Out of curiosity, though, I'll take a look at both and see whether "Independent etc" has been selected in either one.

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