How to make One Instrument Sound like Another Instrument

Discuss playback problems, including VST, Garritan, MIDI, etc.

Moderators: Peter Thomsen, miker

Gamestar721
Posts: 13
Joined: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:53 pm
Finale Version: Finale 26
Operating System: Windows

Post by Gamestar721 » Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:12 am

So, I'm arranging a score for my Jazz Ensemble and I'm having sound issues. The drum kit isn't correctly labeled. The middle line of the staff plays and notates a woodblock hit when it should be a floor tom hit. I know you can change the noteheads, which is fine when I give it to a musician, but I want the playback to sound like a tom hit, not a woodblock. How do I change this?


User avatar
zuill
Posts: 4418
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:35 pm
Finale Version: Finale 2011-v26.3.1
Operating System: Windows

Post by zuill » Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:15 am

We need more information. Even better, a sample misbehaving file. There are so many variables that we would be only guessing. There are Maps and Layouts, there's MIDI Softsynth and GIfF. Knowing all these things would help, but having the file is the best approach.

Zuill
Windows 10, Finale 2011-v26.3.1
"When all is said and done, more is said than done."

Gamestar721
Posts: 13
Joined: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:53 pm
Finale Version: Finale 26
Operating System: Windows

Post by Gamestar721 » Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:31 am

I have attached a file stating and showing what I mean. I should also state that this needs to happen to play through VST and not through MIDI
Attachments
drumexample.musx
(104.46 KiB) Downloaded 86 times

User avatar
michelp
Posts: 2045
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2003 3:35 pm
Finale Version: 27.4.1,26.3.1, Mont.
Operating System: Mac

Post by michelp » Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:42 am

It is weird indeed that the middle line produces a woodblock sound (I confirm, even on an external Midi module).
Take a look at the Score Manager -> Drum Set Staff -> Notation Style -> Percussion -> Edit Settings.
I assume Drum Set is selected.
Edit it. In the Percussion Layout Designer window, go to that middle staff line, which says "Low woodblock", and change its notehead (similar to the other toms) and its sound (Note type : Tom : choose Floor Tom 1 o r 2). But first, you will have to delete one of the existing Floor Toms already in use to be able to apply it to the middle staff.
Michel
MacOsX 12.7.4, Finale 27.4.1 & 26.3.1, Mac Mini Intel Dual Core i7 3Ghz, 16 Go Ram. Azerty kb. MOTU Midi Express XT USB, Roland Sound Canvas SC-88vl, MOTU Audio Express. 2 monitors (27"' pivot, 24'"), JW Lua, RGP Lua

Gamestar721
Posts: 13
Joined: Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:53 pm
Finale Version: Finale 26
Operating System: Windows

Post by Gamestar721 » Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:48 am

Wow! This was really helpful! Thanks a ton!

User avatar
zuill
Posts: 4418
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:35 pm
Finale Version: Finale 2011-v26.3.1
Operating System: Windows

Post by zuill » Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:55 am

Do you know how to use the Percussion Layouts? I modified the Drum Set Layout to get what you wanted. If you need instruction on how to do this yourself, please ask.

Zuill
Attachments
drumexample Revised.musx
(103.07 KiB) Downloaded 84 times
Windows 10, Finale 2011-v26.3.1
"When all is said and done, more is said than done."

User avatar
zuill
Posts: 4418
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:35 pm
Finale Version: Finale 2011-v26.3.1
Operating System: Windows

Post by zuill » Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:57 am

michelp wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:42 am
It is weird indeed that the middle line produces a woodblock sound (I confirm, even on an external Midi module).
Take a look at the Score Manager -> Drum Set Staff -> Notation Style -> Percussion -> Edit Settings.
I assume Drum Set is selected.
Edit it. In the Percussion Layout Designer window, go to that middle staff line, which says "Low woodblock", and change its notehead (similar to the other toms) and its sound (Note type : Tom : choose Floor Tom 1 o r 2). But first, you will have to delete one of the existing Floor Toms already in use to be able to apply it to the middle staff.
Look at my file. It's much easier to accomplish than you are describing. In the Layout, just go the the Tom (MIDI Note 43) and select the staff position handle and drag it up to the middle line. It's okay to leave the woodblock on the middle line as well. Percussion instruments can share staff positions.

Zuill
Attachments
Floor Tom 1 Space 2.PNG
Floor Tom 1 Line 3.PNG
Windows 10, Finale 2011-v26.3.1
"When all is said and done, more is said than done."

User avatar
michelp
Posts: 2045
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2003 3:35 pm
Finale Version: 27.4.1,26.3.1, Mont.
Operating System: Mac

Post by michelp » Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:51 pm

Thanks, Zuill, it's faster indeed.
Michel
MacOsX 12.7.4, Finale 27.4.1 & 26.3.1, Mac Mini Intel Dual Core i7 3Ghz, 16 Go Ram. Azerty kb. MOTU Midi Express XT USB, Roland Sound Canvas SC-88vl, MOTU Audio Express. 2 monitors (27"' pivot, 24'"), JW Lua, RGP Lua

Post Reply