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I need to write a trill wherein playback of the auxiliary note is 2 tones below the main note. I tried the TG Tools plug-in, but it too limits the interval to 1-1/2 tones. If a JW plug-in offers such control in a trill, I have not been able to find it. Surely it is possible for Finale to, say, alternate a trill between G# and E natural in the key of C major. Can someone lend me a hand?

You might have to write it out for playback, and hide the notes

Usually, when the interval gets that big, it is written as a tremolo, not a trill. What look do you want?

Zuill

Looks like I will have to use Miker's solution. Using the Articulation tool to write the ornament as a tremelo does not work for me: I do not hear any hear interval in playback, only tremelo. In the Playback Effect drop-down menu of Articulation Designer, pitch control is not available. A search for Tremelo in Finale's manual yielded "0" results. Good grief! The folks at MakeMusic seem to have an aversion to consulting musicians.

Zuill, if a trill can be written as a tremolo, please give me a hint how I may go about writing it. Pleeeeeez. The attached document illustrates what I am trying to do.

It's spelled "tremolo," which is why you probably didn't get any search results.

A trill is only between two notes a second apart. Period.

There are two kinds of tremolo. This sort of thing means to play repeated C's rapidly by moving the bow back and forth on a string instrument, or roll on a mallet instrument. I suppose you could do that on the guitar, too.

This sort of tremolo, which sounds like you want, means to alternate rapidly between the two notes. Don't call it a trill or you'll confuse people. Read up on in in the manual.

If you use the Easy Tremolos plug-in, it should play back correctly.

This is what it should look like.

Zuill

That worked nicely. Thank you all.

Does use of the plug-in cause an imprint of a shadowed box for anyone (see below)? It's not a big deal as the artifact disappears after the document is close and reopened.


[attachment=0]Trills Artifact.jpg[/attachment

Have you tried a screen redraw, to see if that erases it?

Screen redraw doesn't fix that. That has been a "Feature" of the TGTools plugin for many, many years.

Zuill

Anyone know what "override human playback" in the plug-in does?

The artifact referred to is the rectangle left behind after the plugin closes. It is the shaded item above the first measure in the picture posted. I referred to it as a "Feature" because it has been an issue with the plugin for many years. This has nothing to do with the playback notes.

Zuill

Ah, thanks for clarifying--I didn't read carefully. That is indeed annoying. I've edited my post accordingly.

motet wrote: ↑

Sat May 15, 2021 8:33 pm

Anyone know what "override human playback" in the plug-in does?

Human Playback will interpret the notation. However, if you choose to create playback notes, then they are coordinated with what HP does. If you want to not have HP interfere with the playback notes, you can select that checkbox (to Override HP). Now, the plugin places HP Off and On commands for the selected span of measures or partial measures.

Zuill

And unlike Finale's HP that fixes the speed of the tremolo, regardless of the tempo mark, that of TG Tools can be modified by inserting a (hidden) tempo alteration mark. So if the playback speed is unrealistic, using the TG Tools option is a remedy.

The feature is available only if you select to have the actual notes hidden in layer 4. I found that if I accidentally click on "Go" twice, the command is duplicated, which slightly attenuates the volume on my system. But the duplicate is easily removed by dragging it aside for a right-click and delete.

If you alter the tempo, though, the measure will take longer or shorter, which may or may not be what you want.

The shadow artifact only appears sometimes. I'm trying to characterize when.

Yes, I thought about the timing issue if the tempo is altered to control the speed of the ornament. I suppose for a short trill, the timing would not be a problem, since the amount of irregularity in Finale's HP can be greater than 15 ms. I use a custom setting to limit the "rhythmic" feel. The latter, at even 50% is quite visible when tracks are imported into my DAW.

As for the shadowed artifact, it has not returned.

To get an exact playback speed, you could write your own playback notes and use a tuplet of "23 32nd notes in the space of a half note" or whatever it happened to be.

Regarding the shadow artifact: when you hover the mouse over the dialog, a help box pops up describing the plug-in. If you then move the mouse out of the dialog, the artifact is created from part of the help border. If, however, you move the mouse to the title bar of the window first (where it says Easy Tremolos 3.50), the help closes and you can then move safely off without creating an artifact. I guess I can get used to doing that.

Glad you figured that out. Thanks.

I learned that if TG Tools stops working, select Standard in the HP menu, or one of the others, then switch back to your original preference. This switching worked for me when playback of the measure tremolo I wrote stopped working.