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Brent
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Post by Brent » Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:26 pm

I've been writing a Christmas arrangement for big band and have encountered an issue I haven't seen in the 30 years I've been using Finale. During playback some (but not all) sections have taken to becoming 'push' notes. As an example I've written some piano lines in quarter notes that are now played as syncopations. Some trumpet entries that were written on beat one, are now pushed up to the and of four in the previous measure. I have no clue what has caused this, and have wasted hours trying to get my playback sorted while neglecting the writing process.

I've tried to attach the file, but I keep getting a warning that the file is too big. What gives?

Thanks in advance!

...Brent


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motet
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Post by motet » Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:10 pm

Do you have some sort of jazz tempo mark that might trigger this in HP?

See if you can delete most of the measures and still leave a few that exhibit the problem.

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Post by Brent » Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:14 pm

No, nothing like that. I've chopped most of the arrangement off, but I've left a section where this phantom syncopation starts. In measure 19 there are two quarter note 'shots', but they've been pushed up a half beat. The most noticeable and spooky example is in the piano part in the last two bars of the excerpt. The horns are play bell tones on the beat, and the piano should be doubling that. However, instead of entering on beat one it comes in on the and of four and continues to syncopate throughout.

I sure hope you can see where and why this is occurring.

Thanks! (I hope I've added the attachment properly...)

....Brent
The Magic Of Christmas - Mini excerpt.musx
(210.18 KiB) Downloaded 66 times

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Post by oldmkvi » Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:19 pm

Hi,
there are NO Inst assigned, so I get silence.
I'll load them in and see what happens!

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Post by motet » Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:26 pm

The "caret" articulation's "Playback effect" setting has been changed from the default of Change Velocity to Change Attack. The contextual help says
When Change Attack is selected, the attack of the affected note is shifted forward or backward in time (without changing the note’s duration). A negative number tells Finale to strike the note slightly before the beat during playback; a positive number tells it to strike the note just after the beat.
Yours are set to positive numbers yet it makes them play before the beat, so perhaps it doesn't work as advertised (quelle surprise), but that's what's causing it.

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Post by oldmkvi » Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:31 pm

OK, I see what you mean.
Sorry, can't help!

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Post by Brent » Sun Aug 15, 2021 6:58 pm

Thank you motet. You've solved my mystery. I've set the values back to 100% and the file now plays as intended.

I appreciate your time and expertise!

...Brent

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Post by motet » Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:05 am

Or put it back to the default of Change Velocity so it will play back accented.

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Post by oldmkvi » Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:36 pm

So Is that a Feature?
It only affects Playback.
If I wanted notes before or after the beat, I'd notate it that way.
Why have an Effect that's Playback Only, and not written in to the Score?

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Post by motet » Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:58 pm

In the jazz idioms, things are often played different rhythmically from how they're notated.

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Post by oldmkvi » Tue Aug 17, 2021 6:06 pm

True, but he didn't want it.
And it's for Playback only.
I don't get it.
If I want it, I'll write it in.
I play Jazz and have written many tunes and arrangements.
Never encountered playing notes ahead or behind the beat without some form of Notation or Instructions.
Having it happen on Playback only seems weird to me!

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Post by motet » Tue Aug 17, 2021 6:12 pm

How about swung eighths, which are notated differently from how they're played?

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