Noteperformer issues

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Brent
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Post by Brent » Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:10 pm

I just discovered Noteperformer today while looking for ways to improve the overall sound and wave file quality. I'm currently working on a score that includes a lot of arco strings, and when I playback this file I get a nice rich string sound, but it ignores all of the phrasing marks I have in the score. Any insight into that issue? I found a thread on this forum, but it didn't seem to address the problem.

Also, when trying to write a drum track I am getting no sound. It appears in the score manger, and the sound levels are set correctly, but that track is dead.

I am using the free trial product and, right now, I'm not inclined to purchase it unless I can actually get it to work.

Thanks for your help!

...Brent


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Post by Michel R E » Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:31 pm

which HumanPlayback style are you using?
did you setup so that NotePerformer is the actual device for playback? (in your Score Manager)
are you playing the music from the play controls or by pressing the Space bar?
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Post by Brent » Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:00 pm

Thanks for your reply. I'm using the Standard HumanPlayback style and, yes, I am using the playback button and not space bar. Everything in Score Manager is set up correctly. I can hear the Noteperformer sounds, but it isn't recognizing slurs at all.

In the pdf instructions for Noteperformer it shows a page in the HumanPlayback preferences [Instr. Techniques] where it shows a pulldown where you're supposed to select Noteperformer, but all I see are my Garritan voices. There is no way to select Noteperformer voices. Does that sound correct for the PC version of Finale 27?

Thanks again.

...Brent

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Post by Michel R E » Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:17 pm

Under MIDI/Audio, set the Soundmap Priority to NotePerformer (ie: have NotePerformer be the top choice in the list).
Then, again under MIDI/Audio, select "reassign playback sounds".

It sounds to me like you aren't using NotePerformer at all.
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Post by TonyEastwood » Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:19 pm

Brent

Ask the NP folks for help- their support is good and they will help you. They helped me!

Using Finale 27 I see all the screenshots they have in the PDF (Unfortunately I have no way of pasting screen shots here) In score manager you can select an instrument and you will get the choice of "device" from NotePerformer or SmartSynth.

Finale 27 gives you SMuFL fonts by default. You must you use "Maestro" for all features of NP to work.

RE: Slurs : Be aware that string players interpret long slurs as "play with one bow", not as "phrase" The Tim Davies site will explain that (http://www.timusic.net/).

The NP sound is wonderful. (. . . there is a synthetic orchestra example on my website, if you think the string sound is good wait until you hear the brass and timps!! ).


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Post by Michel R E » Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:28 pm

there is no need to select the device in the Score manager.
As long as the instrument staff is correctly labeled (the very first column on the left) then reassigning instruments for playback (in that MIDI/Audio menu) will automatically switch all the instruments to NP3 and the correct instruments.

I just did it with one of my older Aria Player scores. I had to rename some of my staves because NotePerformer (or Finale, I'm not sure) did not recognize the French names I use for orchestral instruments. But otherwise my simple instructions above worked perfectly well.

This forum is faster than trying to go through the good people at NotePerformer. Yes, they offer excellent support, but this forum has a tendency to be a bit faster for responses.
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Post by Brent » Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:14 am

I’ve set the Sound Map priority and done the reset, so I’ve followed the basic instructions that way. I hear the sounds, but can’t get the strings to 'slur'. Beautiful sounds, but each note is bowed, so there are none of the melismas that I want to hear.

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Post by Brent » Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:16 am

The other problem with those screenshots is that they are taken from a Mac.

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Post by Michel R E » Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:27 am

once you've done the "reassign instruments", if you check the Score manager, are your instruments all set to NotePerfomer?
(I'm double-checking here)

I know there was a NotePerformer playback techniques file, but forget what format it came in. With certain libraries it was simply a Finale file that you opened, and it automatically placed the NP3 performance techniques (for HumanPlayback) right into Finale.

Could you test something for me?

Try putting in a few notes for a measure, then in the next measure a few more notes but with a "pizz." expression.
When you do this, does the pizz. play back?
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Post by Brent » Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:40 am

I’ll check tomorrow. I really appreciate your time and expertise!

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Post by Brent » Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:11 pm

Good morning. I tried what you have suggested, but I still get single bowings on every note regardless of their articulation. No pizz. no slurs.

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Post by Michel R E » Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:38 pm

aha, you're not getting the pizzes.
which means that you haven't got the NotePerformer HP preferences installed.
that was the important little bit of information.

I'm not sure where it will be on your computer, but on mine it's in the directory... \program data\MakeMusic\Finale\VST Support\

and you're looking for two files, NotePerformer32.dll and NotePerformer64.dll

I have the files in multiple places, but I also have 4 versions of Finale installed on my computer.
So I think it's installed for each version of Finale, in its own directory.

It's also in a directory called c:\Program Files\Common Files\VST2\

at this point I'm thinking you MIGHT be better off contacting the good people at NotePerformer.
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Post by Brent » Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:57 pm

Should I be able to locate those .dll files what do I do with them to activate NotePerformer HP?

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Post by Brent » Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:10 pm

I was able to locate the NotePerformer32.dll and NotePerformer64.dll files where you described them. However, there were no appropriate .dll files in c:\Program Files\Common Files\VST2\ just Garritan files.

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Post by Michel R E » Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:00 pm

I would say try copying those files into the VST2 directory
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Post by Brent » Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:21 pm

I was able to do that, and no change. Thanks for your time. I'll try contacting Noteperformer and see if they can off any help.

Thanks again!

...Brent

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Post by BurtGoldstein » Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:12 pm

Hi,

I am new to this. NP 4.10 just installed in Finale 27.3.0.160 on Mac OS 10.14.6 with 64 GB RAM no other apps running.

Human playback and other settings have been made per instructions that came with download.
Plus I unached all items except NotePerformer in HP Prefs, which was needed to get the counter to move when clicking Paly, but seemed not to be mentioned n the instructions.

NOW the problem is only a brass sound plays for all staves EVEN THOUGH "Reassign Playback sounds" and reinstalling the NP 4.10 has been tried. Score Manager is set for all instrument properl;y.
Only Brass Sounds when using Speedy entry in any staff.
Brass sounds VEN WHEN Audio bundles are all bypassed!!

WH\hat should I do?

Here's video of the problem:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jxpvltdrmb7ox ... d.mov?dl=0

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Post by BurtGoldstein » Mon Aug 28, 2023 6:31 pm

So NP techs got me up and running and only one [rpb;em remains: Playback stall (counter does not move) at the start of my 2nd Measure Region in Finale. That's my Movement 2. Tried "leftmost measure" and inserting cursor at sttart of mvt 2.

Any ideas?

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Post by TonyEastwood » Mon Aug 28, 2023 7:18 pm

I'm assuming your playback starts but does not continue. Is that the correct assumption?

In the playback settings there is an item called "Stop at".
It has the option to be the end of the piece or an actual numbered measure.

Maybe it is set to an actual number? I accidentally set it like that myself once and was most surprised.
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Post by mknoll » Mon Aug 28, 2023 8:51 pm

BurtGoldstein wrote:
Mon Aug 28, 2023 6:31 pm
So NP techs got me up and running and only one [rpb;em remains: Playback stall (counter does not move) at the start of my 2nd Measure Region in Finale. That's my Movement 2. Tried "leftmost measure" and inserting cursor at sttart of mvt 2.

Any ideas?
I'd be interested to learn how you managed to fix the "only brass playback" problem.

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Post by BurtGoldstein » Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:03 pm

Here's the response that fixed that:
Please also double-check that you have selected the "Send Patches to MIDI Device on Playback" option, if its not selected all instruments will playback as trumpets, as shown in this support article: https://noteperformer.com/?page=support ... 3485933993

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Post by BurtGoldstein » Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:11 pm

To TonyEastwood (ann All)
Thanks for the response. Playback was set to 'end of piece". For good luck I tried a large bar nuber to see if that worked. Nope.

I AM ENDING THIS THREAD AND POSTING A REVISED COMMENT ELSEWHERE because I just discovered the failure to play my 2nd movement has nothinbg to do with NotePerformer!

ALL HP playback options fail to play - ie the counter doesn't move.
But only fails to play Movement 2, which starts at m91 .
Removing the 2nd Measure Region and setting the remoining single region to go to m 250 did not change the problem

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