HP blocking/usurping tempo setting?

[bj nick]

Extended piece, proofreading individual parts. If I play back the part w/HP in place as normal, tempo markings all over the place; seems to be double the tempo indicated. When whole ensemble plays back, no issues; just on individual parts. And when I deselect HP, tempos now applied properly. Anything I can do? Just a quirk to live with?

[motet]

I assume you've used the standard Tempo Marks category and the tempo marks are visible in the part, on the top staff.

The best way to get to the bottom of it is to attach your file here, along with steps to take to illustrate the problem.

[bj nick]

I would like to attach something, but even with just a small section of one part, I'm getting the "FILE TOO LARGE" message......not sure what to do.....

[motet]

Have you deleted or cleared the other parts? Barring further clean-up, post it to Dropbox or something like that,

[bj nick]

Well, I tried that.....I deleted all "parts" under "documents" and I'm left with the Score and clar. part. I guess there's another step....not sure what it is.

[Peter Thomsen]

Well, I tried that.....I deleted all "parts" under "documents" and I'm left with the Score and clar. part. I guess there's another step....not sure what it is.

Delete everything in the Selection dialogs, such as Expression Selection, Articulation Selection, Shape Selection, &c.
This step will reduce the file size considerably (for camparison, note the small file size of an empty Document Without Libraries).

However, do not delete the Tempo Marks.
The issue seems to be how Human Playback interprets Tempo Marks.

[bj nick]

Okay, I eliminated most of the selection dialogs, so now it will attach. Notice that the first part is fine, then at #38 on, the tempos are playing way too fast. Thanks for the help on this.

[motet]

If by #38 you mean measure 38, it doesn't change tempo there for me.

[bj nick]

I just checked and it's as I said, but remember, it's only in the PART where the issue shows up. On the score the tempo obeys the marking.

(boy it's weird not having any of the expressions etc....pizz on bass missing which sounds strange, other stuff....I guess that's what happens when you delete entire libraries!) Anyway, the temp on the clar. part is wayyy off......by ~20 clicks. Btw same issue on other parts; just picked one to keep it simple.

[motet]

Ah, OK--I'll try a part.

[motet]

Try deleting the fermata in measure 31 and see what happens. HP sometimes fails to see things right after a femata. The flute is missing a fermata, which may be why it doesn't happen in the score. If deleting the fermata fixes it, you might try assign the following q = 120 just after the first beat (say on beat "1.1"). You'll have to override the expression's category in order to attach it to a note. You can then drag it back to appear over the time signature.

[bj nick]

Well, deleting the fermata definitely fixes it. It happens in other places in the score I didn't send; I'll presume that's probably the issue there as well.

you might try assign the following q = 120 just after the first beat (say on beat "1.1"). You'll have to override the expression's category in order to attach it to a note. You can then drag it back to appear over the time signature.

Not quite sure exactly where you're suggesting I add the 120 tempo marking......it's a multi-measure rest after the fermata there.....

I'm probably inclined to just forget it for now....the thing is, I already have the "mockup" version, where everything sounds perfect. This is the finalized score for the parts, which will NOT sound that good on playback without a lot of modifications....I just was trying to use it to check notes, etc. But playing this back reminded me I didn't set up the cue sections properly: where is that setting to unselect playback for cue notes? I know it has to be done individually and someone showed me once, but can't remember it, and don't see it in manual or online.

[motet]

Affter all that, you're not going to fix it?

Assign the tempo marking in the score. Create the expression in the Tempo Marks category, but uncheck "Use Tempo Marks Category Positioning." Assign it to beat 1.1, and drag it left to align with the time signature.

[motet]

If there's a fermata in any staff, all staves should have a fermata in that measure, even if they're empty (in which case, insert a real whole rest and attach a fermata to that). JW Fermata Checker will find these. That's why playing back the score didn't catch the HP bug.

[bj nick]

Yes, I'll fix it! I didn't really understand what you meant but this follow-up makes it clear.

Like I say, I just thought I'd use the part playback as a good way (I figured) to proof individual notes, etc. If it was going to be a big deal I thought oh, the heck with it....I spent a lot of time getting the mockup right, so hearing this playback is annoying lol. But I do think it will be worthwhile for proofing parts, so I will definitely try your fix, and thank you.

Can you tell me where that other setting is, for unselecting playback on cue notes? I can make it a separate post if that's more kosher w/forum standards.

[motet]

If cues, and only cues, are in layer 4, the Documents/Layers/Layer 4, uncheck Playback is the easiest way to do it. Otherwise, something like JW Change.

[bj nick]

I sat down to do this, but I realize that of course I only sent you a small excerpt......the issue happens throughout the tune. I'm guessing I don't need to go through this procedure for EVERY tempo marking, right?

W/the issue of the cues: I added cues in the same layer 1 as everything else.....there was no need with this piece to use different layers, as far as I know......

[motet]

Normally cues don't appear in the score, only the parts, and now you're faced with suppressing their playback somehow, easy if they're in a different layer.

Cues typically are of a reduced size, but also there are whole rests shown below (or above) them to indicate that they are cues and not to be played. They way to do that is with layers. There's a Cue Notes plug-in that automates all of this.

[bj nick]

Interesting......yes, I enter cues w/70% note size, etc. but never thought to put them in separate layers. I know there's a setting where you can just unselect playback....seen it....can't remember where it is though.

[motet]

If cues, and only cues, are in layer 4, the Documents/Layers/Layer 4, uncheck Playback is the easiest way to do it. Otherwise, something like JW Change.

The cue notes plug-in is good because you can just select the notes in the staff you want to cue--no need to re-enter them. In addition to putting them in another layer and adding the whole rest, It also creates a label.