Could this be possible?
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The problems I have are
(1) Finale doesn't allow me to enter 4th note after 8th rest triplet.
(2) If I enter notes this way, then the total notes exceed the ones that allowed.
(3) Would it be possible to make a staff start with a pickup measure of 8th note triplet? And this pickup measure should only be applied to this staff only.
If you have any insight into this problem, please let me know. Thanks.
I would like to add three 4th notes.
What I am trying to do is to enter notes after a delay of 8th rest triplet.The problems I have are
(1) Finale doesn't allow me to enter 4th note after 8th rest triplet.
(2) If I enter notes this way, then the total notes exceed the ones that allowed.
(3) Would it be possible to make a staff start with a pickup measure of 8th note triplet? And this pickup measure should only be applied to this staff only.
If you have any insight into this problem, please let me know. Thanks.
- John Ruggero
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You might be using the wrong time signature. This looks like more 3/4 with triplets or 9/8 meter without triplets. In either case you would have no issues in entering this. But it is hard to say for sure without seeing more of the music.
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- Peter Thomsen
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muon,
The better we understand, the better we can help.
In your example the meaning is not clear.
Take a look at the two attached graphics.
Do you mean A? - or B?
The better we understand, the better we can help.
In your example the meaning is not clear.
Take a look at the two attached graphics.
Do you mean A? - or B?
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- Peter Thomsen
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Do you mean something like this?
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- zuill
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My take on the whole thing is to simply use Voice 2 for the upstem notes. Turn off the option to check for extra notes, or ignore the warning message. This must be done in Speedy Entry.
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Hi Zuill,
This is the exactly what I would like to achieve.
I was able to use the speedy entry tool to enter 8th rest triplet by pressing option+3 in the numeric keypad and then enter 4 in the numeric keypad.
Now, I am stuck. How can I enter a normal quarter note? I can't get out of tuplet mode. Please help!
This is the exactly what I would like to achieve.
I was able to use the speedy entry tool to enter 8th rest triplet by pressing option+3 in the numeric keypad and then enter 4 in the numeric keypad.
Now, I am stuck. How can I enter a normal quarter note? I can't get out of tuplet mode. Please help!
If would be nice if I can put a cursor on any note but currently that is not possible. Or am I missing something still?
If I can just put a cursor on any note, then I don't need to insert 8th rest triplet in the beginning and this will be much more elegant and simple.
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To hide the upper triplet marking: use the Triplet Tool and select that triplet so the Triplet Definition box opens. In the Number and Shape pop-ups select "Nothing".
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I tested "Avoid collision of unisons" with all three different states and that doesn't change anything.
One problem I noticed is that right after I insert a v2 note to F#, the v1 note shift down to B and I had to move it to F# again.
I think this is not right. I would expect the v1 note should stay at the same position.
One problem I noticed is that right after I insert a v2 note to F#, the v1 note shift down to B and I had to move it to F# again.
I think this is not right. I would expect the v1 note should stay at the same position.
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As you see above, I was able to do it, so you're doing something wrong. When you put the cursor on the F# and press the apostrophe, the cursor will move to the right, but ignore that--just enter the quarter-note F#.
That is exactly what I have done!
In your case, did the note in v1 stay at F#?
In my case, the note in v1 went down to B right after I press ' and enter [5].
I cloned your setting of "avoid collision of".
In your case, did the note in v1 stay at F#?
In my case, the note in v1 went down to B right after I press ' and enter [5].
I cloned your setting of "avoid collision of".
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And the horizontal and vertical cursors meet in the F# notehead (or you're sending a MIDI F#)?
I can't explain your note change! We have different versions, so maybe that's it. Here are the triplets before putting the quarter notes in, if somebody with a Mac wants to try it.
I can't explain your note change! We have different versions, so maybe that's it. Here are the triplets before putting the quarter notes in, if somebody with a Mac wants to try it.
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- zuill
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I tried your example and entering the Voice 2 note does change your F# to B. Odd. However, in the next measure, when I enter the notes myself and then enter the Voice 2 note, the F# stays F#. I can't say how your example behaves as it does, but you might try entering the notes again and see if it might work properly.
Zuill
P.S.: I revised your sample. You'll see in bar 2 that it works as I described. Try it yourself in bar 3 and see what happens.
Zuill
P.S.: I revised your sample. You'll see in bar 2 that it works as I described. Try it yourself in bar 3 and see what happens.
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- zuill
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I believe I found the culprit in your file. Try adding the Voice 2 quarters in measure 1 in this newly revised version of your file and see if it now works without changing the F# to B. If it now works, I'll let you know what I discovered.
Zuill
Zuill
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zuill wrote:I believe I found the culprit in your file. Try adding the Voice 2 quarters in measure 1 in this newly revised version of your file and see if it now works without changing the F# to B. If it now works, I'll let you know what I discovered.
Zuill
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If you ctrl-click the measure when in Speedy Entry (for Mac maybe option-click?), you will be able to see what's behind the scenes. That is a clue. See if you can discover what I discovered. It became apparent when I compared the original measure to my newly created measure.
Zuill
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