Flared Hairpins
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Any idea how to achieve hairpins that flare near the end of the shape?
- Michel R E
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there is a font that contains the symbols necessary.
I believe it's from Elbsound, the same people who make PerfectLayout.
I believe it's from Elbsound, the same people who make PerfectLayout.
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XSamples Chamber Ensemble.
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Ah, any idea which font? I purchased their font package and there's quite a few.
- motet
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Looks like Sibelius's Opus Special font has flares. You can get it with the Sibelius demo. I had to make Finale's hairpins thicker to match. Somewhat funky behavior with regard to zoom level. Maybe the Elbsound option is better.
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Looks like it's a feature in Dorico, though the rendering is not attractive, in my opinion:
https://steinberg.help/dorico/v2/en/dor ... ing_t.html
https://steinberg.help/dorico/v2/en/dor ... ing_t.html
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I have never seen that symbol in any music I've ever seen or played.
Lately here I've notice that people seem to need to re-invent music notation.
A shorter Hairpin after a longer one , with cresc molto would serve, and not cause the player to
ask the Conductor what it meant.
Lately here I've notice that people seem to need to re-invent music notation.
A shorter Hairpin after a longer one , with cresc molto would serve, and not cause the player to
ask the Conductor what it meant.
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Actually no it wouldn't, your description adds unnecessary clutter. It does make sense and is more common than you're aware of.
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Agreed, I've seen much more elegant renderings by hand.motet wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:35 pmLooks like it's a feature in Dorico, though the rendering is not attractive, in my opinion:
https://steinberg.help/dorico/v2/en/dor ... ing_t.html
- N Grossingink
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Among brass players, this particular device has a name. It's called a "BRAP!".
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To me, the flares are self-explanatory--"blat" certainly is not (if you're being serious).
It's a big world, and you probably haven't seen it all. The fact that the flares are a feature of Dorico, and are in Sibelius's Opus and other music fonts should clue you in that the O.P. here is not reinventing musical notation. Best to just try to answer peoples' questions, I think.
It's a big world, and you probably haven't seen it all. The fact that the flares are a feature of Dorico, and are in Sibelius's Opus and other music fonts should clue you in that the O.P. here is not reinventing musical notation. Best to just try to answer peoples' questions, I think.
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FWIW (not much perhaps) I have occasionally written those flares in manuscript (in which they are easy - natural even) as far back as the 1960s. No questions were asked in rehearsal when reproduced in hand-copied parts nor were comments made: they were just played as intended. Somehow they seem more awkward and contrived when typeset. I've never attempted them in Finale.
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In my youth, when I was a brass player, I’d have known what that meant.
As a string player, I’d think, “What brass player wrote this? Bows don’t have that kind of dynamic range.”
As a singer, my throat would hurt just looking at that.
As a conductor, I’m ok with it but would hope I see it only as a brass marking — although a percussion roll would work, too, especially bass drum, tympani or tam-tam... yea, percussion would be cool.
I think that if it had occurred to Wagner, he and Strauss would have used it.
As a string player, I’d think, “What brass player wrote this? Bows don’t have that kind of dynamic range.”
As a singer, my throat would hurt just looking at that.
As a conductor, I’m ok with it but would hope I see it only as a brass marking — although a percussion roll would work, too, especially bass drum, tympani or tam-tam... yea, percussion would be cool.
I think that if it had occurred to Wagner, he and Strauss would have used it.
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