Canonic utilities
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Am I the only one who misses the Canonic Utilities plug-in? I used it all the time for proofreading purposes. Now that it's gone, is there any way to get the plug-in back? Any download or add-on or something?
Last edited by leonardociampa on Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:42 am, edited 1 time in total.
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AFAIK, it is still there. Plug-ins -> Scoring and arranging.
Michel
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Didn't canonic utilities used to include an option "check for parallel motion" (fifths & octaves)? Or was that a separate plug-in? What I'm REALLY asking is: can Finale 25.5 check for parallel fifths or octaves?
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The only problem being that I used “find parallel motion” all the time!
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If you have installation discs for an earlier version of Finale, where the plugin was included, you might try installing the app again, then moving the plugin to your current Finale version. It might not work but maybe it's worth trying. You use Windows, which has better compatibility with older Finale versions.
This is a good reason why uninstalling older Finale versions might not be a good idea.
This is a good reason why uninstalling older Finale versions might not be a good idea.
N. Grossingink
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32 bit plug-ins will not work with Finale 25 & 26 (64 bit).
Michel
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MacOsX 12.7.4, Finale 27.4.1 & 26.3.1, Mac Mini Intel Dual Core i7 3Ghz, 16 Go Ram. Azerty kb. MOTU Midi Express XT USB, Roland Sound Canvas SC-88vl, MOTU Audio Express. 2 monitors (27"' pivot, 24'"), JW Lua, RGP Lua
I copied Find Parallel Motion from Finale 2012 (from the Scoring and Arranging plug-in folder) to Finale 2014.5. Works just fine.
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Yes, but 2014.5 is still 32 bit, not 25 & 26.
P.S. : that's one more reason to keep a copy of 2014.5 (also for the video window, which is still available), unless you are on a Mac and you have the latest MacOs (incompatible with 2014.5).
P.S. : that's one more reason to keep a copy of 2014.5 (also for the video window, which is still available), unless you are on a Mac and you have the latest MacOs (incompatible with 2014.5).
Michel
MacOsX 12.7.4, Finale 27.4.1 & 26.3.1, Mac Mini Intel Dual Core i7 3Ghz, 16 Go Ram. Azerty kb. MOTU Midi Express XT USB, Roland Sound Canvas SC-88vl, MOTU Audio Express. 2 monitors (27"' pivot, 24'"), JW Lua, RGP Lua
MacOsX 12.7.4, Finale 27.4.1 & 26.3.1, Mac Mini Intel Dual Core i7 3Ghz, 16 Go Ram. Azerty kb. MOTU Midi Express XT USB, Roland Sound Canvas SC-88vl, MOTU Audio Express. 2 monitors (27"' pivot, 24'"), JW Lua, RGP Lua
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...maybe his profile has not been updated.leonardociampa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:57 pmWhat I'm REALLY asking is: can Finale 25.5 check for parallel fifths or octaves?
Michel
MacOsX 12.7.4, Finale 27.4.1 & 26.3.1, Mac Mini Intel Dual Core i7 3Ghz, 16 Go Ram. Azerty kb. MOTU Midi Express XT USB, Roland Sound Canvas SC-88vl, MOTU Audio Express. 2 monitors (27"' pivot, 24'"), JW Lua, RGP Lua
MacOsX 12.7.4, Finale 27.4.1 & 26.3.1, Mac Mini Intel Dual Core i7 3Ghz, 16 Go Ram. Azerty kb. MOTU Midi Express XT USB, Roland Sound Canvas SC-88vl, MOTU Audio Express. 2 monitors (27"' pivot, 24'"), JW Lua, RGP Lua
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If you have Finale 2014 and can get ahold of a copy of the plugin, install it there. Do whatever you need it for with 2014 and then continue work in Finale 25. The file formats between the 2 versions are interchangable.
N. Grossingink
Educational Band, Orchestra and Jazz Ensemble a specialty
Sample: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pFF5OeJDeLFGHMRyXrubFqZWXBubErw4/view?usp=share_link
Mac Mini 2014 2.6 Ghz, 8Gb RAM
OSX 10.15.7
Finale 2012c, 25.5, 26.3, 27.3
Educational Band, Orchestra and Jazz Ensemble a specialty
Sample: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pFF5OeJDeLFGHMRyXrubFqZWXBubErw4/view?usp=share_link
Mac Mini 2014 2.6 Ghz, 8Gb RAM
OSX 10.15.7
Finale 2012c, 25.5, 26.3, 27.3
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Googling
"find parallel motion" finale
turns up several complaints in years past of the tool not working right (mainly false positives), including this one by me I forget about!
https://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=5&m=468907
"find parallel motion" finale
turns up several complaints in years past of the tool not working right (mainly false positives), including this one by me I forget about!
https://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=5&m=468907
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If Finale were created in the 13th century, people then wouldn't have had this problem. False or true parallels being a complete non-issue.
Good old days...
Good old days...
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To be just a tiny bit more serious, why would anyone need a plugin to find parallel motion? To correct hundreds of student excercises while cooking dinner, cleaning up and doing the laundry?
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To be even a bit more serious: If you really care about the forbidden parallels in traditional harmony and counterpoint, why don't you develop your own eye and ear for it? To leave it to a plugin seems rather half-hearted in my opinion. Either it's important or it isn't.
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"Why worry about parallel fifths? Medieval music had them" kind of misses the point of avoiding them in common-practice harmony, which is that they obscure the independence of the voices. The rule is far from arbitrary or pedantic.
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You might have missed my irony.
(I've corrected innumerable parallel fifths and octaves in my days, and often enough explained why.)
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Right, they don't have the same meaning today. The avoidance of parallel fifths and octaves is an old tradition, and I think it's a good idea to know that, in order to understand how composers thought in those times. However, there is a difference between parallel fifths and parallel octaves: the fifths are more a matter of style and period, the octaves are more a question of independance of the voices, in any period.
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Just as an aside: It happened that I had to tell my students of the difference between an octave parallel in strict harmony and an octave doubling in arrangement and orchestration. Two quite different things really.
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The harmony of the common practice period is still very much in use today, so we are still in those times and the practice is not quaint, in my opinion. I sing in an amateur chorus and see a lot of dreadful voice leading in contemporary pieces, though, so I'm not sure it's being taught that much.Anders Hedelin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:18 pmThe avoidance of parallel fifths and octaves is an old tradition, and I think it's a good idea to know that, in order to understand how composers thought in those times.
I think the adage "you need to learn the rules before you can break them" is still a good one.