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So personally, I would find a horizontal bracket such as you have confusing, no matter whether the hooks point up or down. The screenshot below shows something closer to a standard way of indicating l.h. Also, I attached the edited .mus (but in fin 2012; not sure whether you can open it with 2011.)
In any case there are any number of ways to create this shape. I created it as a new smart shape; the trick is that what appears to be the main line is actually a very long opening hook (96 EVPUs), while the "real" smart shape line is so short, it appears to be the hook. Pretty cheap and dirty, but also quick. You could also use the (notoriously finicky) shape designer to create something similar as an expression.
In any case there are any number of ways to create this shape. I created it as a new smart shape; the trick is that what appears to be the main line is actually a very long opening hook (96 EVPUs), while the "real" smart shape line is so short, it appears to be the hook. Pretty cheap and dirty, but also quick. You could also use the (notoriously finicky) shape designer to create something similar as an expression.
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Thank you for that, I appreciate it. I will look into your designing suggestion.
RVS Lee wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:54 pmSo personally, I would find a horizontal bracket such as you have confusing, no matter whether the hooks point up or down. The screenshot below shows something closer to a standard way of indicating l.h. Also, I attached the edited .mus (but in fin 2012; not sure whether you can open it with 2011.)
In any case there are any number of ways to create this shape. I created it as a new smart shape; the trick is that what appears to be the main line is actually a very long opening hook (96 EVPUs), while the "real" smart shape line is so short, it appears to be the hook. Pretty cheap and dirty, but also quick. You could also use the (notoriously finicky) shape designer to create something similar as an expression.
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I see what you mean by finicky. I just now used the smart tool - line - creating 2 lines and fitting em together to form an "L" shape. It works I think. Thanks again.
RVS Lee wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:54 pmSo personally, I would find a horizontal bracket such as you have confusing, no matter whether the hooks point up or down. The screenshot below shows something closer to a standard way of indicating l.h. Also, I attached the edited .mus (but in fin 2012; not sure whether you can open it with 2011.)
In any case there are any number of ways to create this shape. I created it as a new smart shape; the trick is that what appears to be the main line is actually a very long opening hook (96 EVPUs), while the "real" smart shape line is so short, it appears to be the hook. Pretty cheap and dirty, but also quick. You could also use the (notoriously finicky) shape designer to create something similar as an expression.
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The Bravura font has the whole family of these symbols ready-made.
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Where? How do I get to it?
John Ruggero wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:40 pmThe Bravura font has the whole family of these symbols ready-made.
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https://github.com/steinbergmedia/bravuramusicus wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:01 pmWhere? How do I get to it?
John Ruggero wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:40 pmThe Bravura font has the whole family of these symbols ready-made.
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Peter Thomsen wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:15 pmhttps://github.com/steinbergmedia/bravuramusicus wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:01 pmWhere? How do I get to it?
John Ruggero wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:40 pmThe Bravura font has the whole family of these symbols ready-made.
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Respectfully, I disagree for the following reason. Yes, putting the D in the lower staff would reduce the clutter. However, IMO that would imply that it is to be played by the LH. For most spans that is impossible, and even if the dyad is broken, it would result in an awkward LH position amongst the 16th notes in the RH. But a bracket could be put over the note to indicate to be played by the RH. My personal taste is (generally) if it's intended for the RH, put it in the upper staff. I know there are plenty of exceptions to this. Thank you for your suggestion.
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That doesn't make sense.musicus wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:32 pmRespectfully, I disagree for the following reason. Yes, putting the D in the lower staff would reduce the clutter. However, IMO that would imply that it is to be played by the LH. For most spans that is impossible, and even if the dyad is broken, it would result in an awkward LH position amongst the 16th notes in the RH. But a bracket could be put over the note to indicate to be played by the RH. My personal taste is (generally) if it's intended for the RH, put it in the upper staff. I know there are plenty of exceptions to this. Thank you for your suggestion.
You want to put a bracket to indicate that the note is to be played by the left hand, but you don't want to move that note into the bottom staff since that would imply the note is to be played by the left hand?
Move the note(s) you NEED to be played by the left hand into the bottom staff... not ALL D's. it is a simple and far clearer choice.
The bracket is added clutter.
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Perhaps a misunderstanding here. What I meant to say is to put a bracket to indicate that the note is to be played by the right hand, not left hand. Not ideal, but a possible way to avoid visual clutter. Yes, the bracket is added clutter but I think that a little bracket is less clutter than the diagonal line in my original attachment.
Michel R E wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:32 pmThat doesn't make sense.musicus wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:32 pmRespectfully, I disagree for the following reason. Yes, putting the D in the lower staff would reduce the clutter. However, IMO that would imply that it is to be played by the LH. For most spans that is impossible, and even if the dyad is broken, it would result in an awkward LH position amongst the 16th notes in the RH. But a bracket could be put over the note to indicate to be played by the RH. My personal taste is (generally) if it's intended for the RH, put it in the upper staff. I know there are plenty of exceptions to this. Thank you for your suggestion.
You want to put a bracket to indicate that the note is to be played by the left hand, but you don't want to move that note into the bottom staff since that would imply the note is to be played by the left hand?
Move the note(s) you NEED to be played by the left hand into the bottom staff... not ALL D's. it is a simple and far clearer choice.
The bracket is added clutter.
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I downloaded your example file (RVS Lee's image was what confused me).musicus wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:39 pmPerhaps a misunderstanding here. What I meant to say is to put a bracket to indicate that the note is to be played by the right hand, not left hand. Not ideal, but a possible way to avoid visual clutter. Yes, the bracket is added clutter but I think that a little bracket is less clutter than the diagonal line in my original attachment.
I see no reason to place a bracket there at all, it's obviously played by the right hand.
I don't see a diagonal line in your original file. I see a horizontal one, with two upward-pointing ends.
As a pianist I would have absolutely no idea what you were trying to convey with that.
You mention "diagonal line" in this response, but there isn't a diagonal line in your file. Are we to deduce that this is to indicate some sort of voice-leading?
It's really unclear from your initial Finale file.
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Michel R E wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:02 pmSorry about the confusion.
I have attached the file in question. You should see an obvious diagonal line going from A to D. I didn't want that D in the lower staff because it would involve an unlikely stretch for the LH. The voice-leading from the original work requires the large interval A to D. See attachment below.
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musicus wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:39 pmPerhaps a misunderstanding here. What I meant to say is to put a bracket to indicate that the note is to be played by the right hand, not left hand. Not ideal, but a possible way to avoid visual clutter. Yes, the bracket is added clutter but I think that a little bracket is less clutter than the diagonal line in my original attachment.
I downloaded your example file (RVS Lee's image was what confused me).
I see no reason to place a bracket there at all, it's obviously played by the right hand.
I don't see a diagonal line in your original file. I see a horizontal one, with two upward-pointing ends.
As a pianist I would have absolutely no idea what you were trying to convey with that.
You mention "diagonal line" in this response, but there isn't a diagonal line in your file. Are we to deduce that this is to indicate some sort of voice-leading?
It's really unclear from your initial Finale file.