- Time signature is 3/16
- There are other instruments simultaneously playing different rhythmic structures
- Beams and rhythmic values are meant to be grouped according to the musical idea and phrasing
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Thank you, I've been using this plug-in a lot, but in this case I would love to have the dotted 8ths rather than the tied notes. I know it's probably easier to go with the tied notes, but I'm curious to learn new ways of working.John Ruggero wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 6:12 pmUsing plugins>Note, beam and rest editing>Paterson lite>beam over barlines>Create
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Here, though, because of the consistent sixteenths no one could mistake the placements of the irregular eighths. Remove the sixteenths, and it would be quite puzzling.John Ruggero wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:39 pmIt's interesting that such notation is actually practical when there is a second voice moving against it in faster, even note values, like sixteenth notes. One sees this in keyboard music as a way to simplify the notation, for example from Chopin's Prelude in D:
I just realized that one could tie the two 32nds but move the tie off the page and it would play back correctly.John Ruggero wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:34 pmRegarding the quintiplet over two measures. Perhaps one could split the quintuplet of 16ths into two quintuplets of five 32nd notes in each measure. The first would be written as 16th, 16th, 32nd and the other would be 32nd 16th, 16th. Then hide the first note (the 32nd note) of the second measure. (No numbers or brackets should be showing and don't tie the two 32nd notes.) Extend the 8th and 16th beam of the first measure to meet the corresponding ones in the second measure. All that remains is to hide the 32nd beam stub in the first measure (maybe again with the beam extension tool or some better way) and add the tuplet indication as an expression or whatever. This would be graphically correct but playback would repeat the second 32nd note
Indeed that could work.Anders Hedelin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:12 pmI think the method of creating the quintuplet depends on the context. If you have many parts needing proper barlines, John's suggestion probably would be better. If you have but a few, it should be easier to double the meter (to 6/16), hide the TS, and insert a fake barline (in all parts) as an expression:
wessmusic wrote:Here is another method for creating tuplets over the barline.
It turned out that my mic. was not switched on, however everything is so simple, so that the explanations are unnecessary.
This video, I believe, covers three of the most common scenarios.
https://youtu.be/O-r6QolMCe4
Yes, this is very good, but perhaps not the only way? Or, always the fastest?motet wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:04 pmThis is worth watching:
wessmusic wrote:Here is another method for creating tuplets over the barline.
It turned out that my mic. was not switched on, however everything is so simple, so that the explanations are unnecessary.
This video, I believe, covers three of the most common scenarios.
https://youtu.be/O-r6QolMCe4
Nice! That looks like the perfect middle path to me. How did you beam through 3 measures though? Can't seem to be able to do it with the Patterson plug-in...did you do it manually with the Beam Angle tool?Anders Hedelin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:24 pmYou had some rather convincing points about why to do it this way, Oneiroi. Here's another compromise, almost the same as John's suggestion above, but taking into account the beams as indicators of 'motives'. It should be almost 'sight-readable', with the benefit of less cluttering, not needing the explanatory glyphs.
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(I think that however you do it, there's no really simple way.)
This would be the ideal solution, but I have a 2-staves guitar part and a string quartet 4-staves group which need bars going through staves. I guess it's doable but probably a hassle to realign the expression barlines (needed for the parts) with the Smart Shape group barlines all the time.Anders Hedelin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:12 pmI think the method of creating the quintuplet depends on the context. If you have many parts needing proper barlines, John's suggestion probably would be better. If you have but a few, it should be easier to double the meter (to 6/16), hide the TS, and insert a fake barline (in all parts) as an expression: