Divisi parts with different movement set ups

[jmus]

So I have 3 movement with 1st vns + solo vn (similar with 2nd vns, and violas)
1 movement with 1st vns on seperate staves as total divisi

I have done the part and hidden the staves I don't need until the movement with the divisi
So far so good...but.....the multi measure rests don't always work because, even though other staff is collapsed (hidden), the program
percieves the music that is on it so won't allow rests in visible part.

Not sure how to get around this?

[motet]

If I'm understanding you correctly, I do a similar thing with timpani and percussion in a single part and don't have this problem. Are the staves you're hiding empty?

[jmus]

If I'm understanding you correctly, I do a similar thing with timpani and percussion in a single part and don't have this problem. Are the staves you're hiding empty?

Yes, makes sense for your percussion and Timp.

The staves I am hiding are not empty...which is why I think its not allowing the multi measure rests in the other part.

[motet]

Why are you hiding them, then? Who is the music in those staves for?

[N Grossingink]

The staves I am hiding are not empty...which is why I think its not allowing the multi measure rests in the other part.

As an experiment, make a copy of the score and delete the music in those staves. Do the MM Rests now appear? If you're keeping music in these staves for some future reorganization of the score, you might have to use 2 separate scores instead. Just guessing.

[motet]

I guess if a staff is force-hidden Finale shouldn't fret about what's on it when it comes to multimeasure rests, but alas that's how it is.

If you are sharing that hidden staff with some other part, perhaps making another staff and teasing the two apart is the solution.

[Callasmaniac]

Are these divisi-staves part of a group? Check that they are marked "optimize normally" (or what the saying is, Finale now not open).

[jmus]

Thanks for all your suggestions. Have got 'hide normally ' checked but still won't work. If the other staff is empty, I can just use 'hide empty staves' and everything works OK.

In answer to your question Motet: I have a chamber string ensemble with vns 1,2, and viola each having a soloist. In movement 3 the section is divisi so I have two lines. For the vn soloist in the other movements I need to, for the most part, hide the rest of the vn1 section. But....I cannot get the multi measure rests to show when there is music in the hidden staff.

Would have been easier if I'd have written the movements as seperate file I guess, but I do like having everything in one file for continuity.

[Peter Thomsen]

… For the vn soloist in the other movements I need to, for the most part, hide the rest of the vn1 section. But…I cannot get the multi measure rests to show when there is music in the hidden staff …

If I understand you correctly, the problem is isolated to the vn soloist part - right?

In that case it might be easier to extract just the vn soloist part - so that the vn soloist part is a separate Finale document.
In that way you can customize the part.
It will no longer be a linked part; corrections in the score will not automatically get transferred to the extracted vn soloist part.

[jmus]

… For the vn soloist in the other movements I need to, for the most part, hide the rest of the vn1 section. But…I cannot get the multi measure rests to show when there is music in the hidden staff …

If I understand you correctly, the problem is isolated to the vn soloist part - right?

In that case it might be easier to extract just the vn soloist part - so that the vn soloist part is a separate Finale document.
In that way you can customize the part.
It will no longer be a linked part; corrections in the score will not automatically get transferred to the extracted vn soloist part.

Also the vn1 section because in mvt 3 they play divisi so no longer a solo part and vns 1. Its a little complicated...I'm sure I've made it much harder by not writing the mvements seperately! Loathe to use separate document as I found a few years ago that if I wanted to edit the score after first/second performances, I had to find all the other files and edit them too. Right royal pain. So these days I try to keep to one document. This way I know teh edits get written to the parts. Thanks though Peter. My learning takeaway is to write the movements separately!

[motet]

I think you could have separate Violin I solo parts and a Violin I section parts, the former omitting the section staves altogether. If you want the solo part to sometimes play with the section, add staves for that and copy the section parts in where wanted.

[jmus]

I think you could have separate Violin I solo parts and a Violin I section parts, the former omitting the section staves altogether. If you want the solo part to sometimes play with the section, add staves for that and copy the section parts in where wanted.

Sounds a good solotion...I will have a look to see if I can make it work. Thanks motet

[jmus]

Akthough, won't the extra staves show up on the score? I guess I could hide them in the score.

[motet]

Another option is to make the score a "part" and include only the staves you want.

[Anders Hedelin]

Do you want the solo violin to have that role throughout a movement, or is it just temporarily? If the latter you may use a separate staff for the solo violin and show it when it's active and hide it when it's not. Adding 'gli altri' for the rest of the first violins when the soloist is playing, and 'tutti' when the soloist is done. Or, was this already said?

And, supposing the soloist is a member of the first violins, have both soloist and the 'gli altri' in the same printed part?

[jmus]

Do you want the solo violin to have that role throughout a movement, or is it just temporarily? If the latter you may use a separate staff for the solo violin and show it when it's active and hide it when it's not. Adding 'gli altri' for the rest of the first violins when the soloist is playing, and 'tutti' when the soloist is done. Or, was this already said?

And, supposing the soloist is a member of the first violins, have both soloist and the 'gli altri' in the same printed part?

The solo violin has the role in places, not all the way through. I have used a seperate staff, shown when active and hidden when not. The problem is that I have a 3rd movement where there is no solo violin, but require two staves as they are divisi throughout with quite seoerate lines. This come out OK, but when it comes to creating a part for the the rest of the first violins - 'gli altri' (a term I was not familiar with until now,) I have to hide the soloist (even when they have music) which means the multi measure rests don't show up. Its all good for the solo vn (who is a menber of the first violins) as they play the section parts when no solo.

Hard to explain but hopefully it makes sense?

[motet]

Not really. Typically there is not a separate solo violin part, but rather Violin I has everything--solo and two-staff divisi if need be. Sounds like maybe you need three staves for that part.

[jmus]

Not really. Typically there is not a separate solo violin part, but rather Violin I has everything--solo and two-staff divisi if need be. Sounds like maybe you need three staves for that part.

mmmm...hadn't thought of three staves!

[motet]

Sounds like your difficulty is to have your extra staff do double duty.

Here's an excerpt from the Violin I part ofr Mahler's 4th symphony, second movement. (The solo violin has scordatura tuning, hence the different key signature). There is variously

• One staff for everybody
• Two staves, one for solo, one for gli altri
• Two staves, gli altri divisi
• Three staves, one for solo and two for gli altri divisi

As long as you label everything whenever it changes, all will clear. I suspect the soloist will like having the other part there.

[jmus]

Sounds like your difficulty is to have your extra staff do double duty.

Here's an excerpt from the Violin I part ofr Mahler's 4th symphony, second movement. (The solo violin has scordatura tuning, hence the different key signature). There is variously

• One staff for everybody
• Two staves, one for solo, one for gli altri
• Two staves, gli altri divisi
• Three staves, one for solo and two for gli altri divisi

Thanks for posting this motet.

[Anders Hedelin]

Maybe motet's example told you what you need, but here's another one from a 1st violin part, three or two staves showing (in other places just one):

[jmus]

Maybe motet's example told you what you need, but here's another one from a 1st violin part, three or two staves showing (in other places just one):
Solo + gli altri div..JPG

Thank you for this example Anders.