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Post by drumstudio2000 » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:42 am

Hi,
I have 8 systems on my project, each of one consists in 4 or 8 bars with repeats (twice each one)
I want finale to play each system, and after play the last bar, return to da capo and make all over again, but WITHOUT repeats.

Im a little confused using the Dc al fine in the repeat tool.
Could you give me a hint on how to configure it to do what I need?
really thanks!
drum!
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:43 am

drumstudio2000 wrote:…I have 8 systems on my project, each of one consists in 4 or 8 bars with repeats (twice each one)
I want finale to play each system, and after play the last bar, return to da capo and make all over again, but WITHOUT repeats…
Your words “return to da capo” do not make sense here.
You probably mean “return to the beginning, and play “from the top” (= Da Capo).
From your description it sounds like a “D. C. senza rip.”.

drumstudio2000 wrote:…Im a little confused using the Dc al fine in the repeat tool…
However, a “D. C. al Fine” is something else than a “D. C. senza rip.”.
“D. C. al Fine” means “play again from the beginning, and stop at the word “Fine” mid-document.

In Other Words:
In the last measure I would create a text repeat with the words
“D. C. al Fine”.
In the Repeat Assignment I would set it up to jump on Pass 1.
Target: Measure #1
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Post by drumstudio2000 » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:54 pm

Peter Thomsen wrote:
drumstudio2000 wrote:…I have 8 systems on my project, each of one consists in 4 or 8 bars with repeats (twice each one)
I want finale to play each system, and after play the last bar, return to da capo and make all over again, but WITHOUT repeats…
Your words “return to da capo” do not make sense here.
You probably mean “return to the beginning, and play “from the top” (= Da Capo).
From your description it sounds like a “D. C. senza rip.”.

drumstudio2000 wrote:…Im a little confused using the Dc al fine in the repeat tool…
However, a “D. C. al Fine” is something else than a “D. C. senza rip.”.
“D. C. al Fine” means “play again from the beginning, and stop at the word “Fine” mid-document.

In Other Words:
In the last measure I would create a text repeat with the words
“D. C. al Fine”.
In the Repeat Assignment I would set it up to jump on Pass 1.
Target: Measure #1
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Hi peter, really thanks for your answer.
Ive set all like you told me but finale stops playing at the end of the score and dont return to the beginning...
There is something I am missing? Maybe on the playback control window or somewhere else?
It is as if finale didnt notice that Dc al Fine...
Thanks

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Post by Peter Thomsen » Tue Sep 23, 2014 4:54 pm

You are using Finale 2010, right?

I suggest that you attach a (small) Finale 2010 .mus sample document here for the gurus to examine.

Before you can attach a .mus document in this forum, you must compress it, e. g. as a .zip file.
And the file size must not be more than max. 100 KB.

To reduce the file size you can clear all the notes.
We only need to see the empty measures.
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Post by drumstudio2000 » Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:39 pm

Peter Thomsen wrote:You are using Finale 2010, right?

I suggest that you attach a (small) Finale 2010 .mus sample document here for the gurus to examine.

Before you can attach a .mus document in this forum, you must compress it, e. g. as a .zip file.
And the file size must not be more than max. 100 KB.

To reduce the file size you can clear all the notes.
We only need to see the empty measures.
hi peter, i pm you a dropbox link with the file, because it was 160kb without notes.
I would be very greatefull if you can help me solve this issue.
thanks!
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:17 am

I took a look at your document.

1) Since you do not have a Fine in this document, you should edit the text repeat, and change the text from “D. C. al Fine” to e. g. “D. C. senza rip.”.
To edit a text repeat, hold down Shift while double-clicking the repeat handle.

2) You have set up measure 44’s “D. C.” to jump on Pass 1.
But the last 8 measures (= m. 37 - 44) are repeated.
Hence you should set up measure 44’s “D. C.” to jump on Pass 2.
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Post by drumstudio2000 » Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:47 pm

Peter Thomsen wrote:I took a look at your document.

1) Since you do not have a Fine in this document, you should edit the text repeat, and change the text from “D. C. al Fine” to e. g. “D. C. senza rip.”.
To edit a text repeat, hold down Shift while double-clicking the repeat handle.

2) You have set up measure 44’s “D. C.” to jump on Pass 1.
But the last 8 measures (= m. 37 - 44) are repeated.
Hence you should set up measure 44’s “D. C.” to jump on Pass 2.

It worked. Really thanks peter!
Last Q: what if after going Dc I want to avoid the 3rd system (ie: jump from bar 8 to 13) how to tell that to finale?
rally thanks
drum!

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Post by Peter Thomsen » Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:07 pm

drumstudio2000 wrote:…what if after going DC I want to avoid the 3rd system (ie: jump from bar 8 to 13) how to tell that to finale?…
Insert a text repeat at the end of measure 8 - e. g. {Last time, jump to measure 15}.
To make a text repeat appear at the end of a measure, choose Right Justification in the Repeat Designer.

In the Repeat Assignment for your text repeat, choose Jump on Pass 3.
Set the Target to measure 13.
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