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Time signature change, dotted quarter equals quarter?

Postby Ray3D » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:21 pm

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I am new to Finale. While exploring various drop down menus, I saw a tool for placing "dotted quarter equals quarter note", (when changing 12/8 to 4/4). Now, I need that tool, but can't remember what menu it was in.

It is my intention to have playback recognize this new relationship.

Can someone please help me find that menu?
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Re: Time signature change, dotted quarter equals quarter?

Postby zuill » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:35 am

Possibly in the Expression Tool? In the Tempo Marks category?

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Re: Time signature change, dotted quarter equals quarter?

Postby miker » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:02 pm

Zuill is, of course, correct.
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Re: Time signature change, dotted quarter equals quarter?

Postby Ray3D » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:10 pm

Yes. There it is!

Thank you, gentlemen.
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Re: Time signature change, dotted quarter equals quarter?

Postby Ray3D » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:02 pm

Hmm! I am now seeing that the "dotted quarter = quarter" option circled in red, (in miker's post), is not available in my expressions selections window in some of my musical pieces. Does this mean that the options, from song to song, have changed while I was working on each individual piece? As a "newbie", might I have inadvertently deleted certain choices while entering my notes and expressions?

Miker showed this option to be choice number 67. In the piece of mine in question, there is no option number 67.

Can I transplant certain expression selections from one piece to another? Or, is it possible to reset the defaults for that window?

Finally, once applied to a piece, the "dotted quarter = quarter" marker does not play correctly in "playback" mode. (It doubles in speed, compared to what I had expected.
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Re: Time signature change, dotted quarter equals quarter?

Postby zuill » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:14 pm

The "down-and-dirty" way to get one expression into another document is by copying a measure from a document to which that expression is attached, and pasting it into another document. You may have to then move it to the correct category, if that is important.

Regarding playback, that is another matter. Maybe attach the document so we can examine how you're doing things.

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Re: Time signature change, dotted quarter equals quarter?

Postby Ray3D » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:24 pm

I'm not certain how to add an attachment of the few selected measures that I want to share.
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Re: Time signature change, dotted quarter equals quarter?

Postby Ray3D » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:13 pm

Here is the file I wanted to upload earlier. Some measures later, it reverts to 12/8, with quarter note equals dotted quarter.

Playback is currently inaccurate. The tempo doubles as the time switches to 4/4.
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Re: Time signature change, dotted quarter equals quarter?

Postby zuill » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:45 pm

That's a nice picture, but we can't tell anything by a picture. By a file, I meant a Finale file.

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Re: Time signature change, dotted quarter equals quarter?

Postby michelp » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:07 am

The expression you have used (dotted quarter = quarter) can be defined to have an effect on playback. Edit it, use the Playback thumbnail and in Type -> Tempo, enter the new tempo.
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Re: Time signature change, dotted quarter equals quarter?

Postby Ray3D » Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:18 pm

zuill wrote:That's a nice picture, but we can't tell anything by a picture. By a file, I meant a Finale file.

Zuill


This is what I meant by "I don't know how to upload a file to the forum". More specifically, I don't know how to "create" a proper file for uploading.

(I am a complete newbie to both Finale and this forum.)

In order to isolate just a few measures of my piece, do I have to create a new version of that piece with only the measures under discussion?
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Re: Time signature change, dotted quarter equals quarter?

Postby Ray3D » Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:22 pm

michelp wrote:The expression you have used (dotted quarter = quarter) can be defined to have an effect on playback. Edit it, use the Playback thumbnail and in Type -> Tempo, enter the new tempo.


Sorry. Can you define the "Playback thumbnail"? Is that the playback control panel at the top of my Finale window?
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Re: Time signature change, dotted quarter equals quarter?

Postby michelp » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:34 pm

Scroll down or click on the image.

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Re: Time signature change, dotted quarter equals quarter?

Postby Ray3D » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:35 am

michelp wrote:The expression you have used (dotted quarter = quarter) can be defined to have an effect on playback. Edit it, use the Playback thumbnail and in Type -> Tempo, enter the new tempo.


Thank you, michelp. I am learning a great deal through the instructions I am getting from the members of this forum.

OK. I added a new tempo marking, "quarter note = 104". It plays the new tempo properly.

Now I have an issue with the beat before the "dotted quarter = quarter". (A beat before the change from 12/8 to 4/4).

I don't seem to be able to place a new tempo mark on the 4th beat of a 12/8 measure. The alignment automatically "jumps" to place the tempo change on beat number one.
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Re: Time signature change, dotted quarter equals quarter?

Postby Peter Thomsen » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:38 am

Ray3D wrote:… I don't seem to be able to place a new tempo mark on the 4th beat of a 12/8 measure. The alignment automatically "jumps" to place the tempo change on beat number one.

Take a look at the settings for the Tempo Mark expression category:
Document menu > Category Designer…

Perhaps the category’s Horizontal Alignment is set to “Start of Time Signature”?
In that case a Tempo Mark can only be aligned to the 1st beat of a measure.

Fix:
Either -
- use the Split Measure plug-in to split the 12/8 measure at the 4th beat (you can use an invisible Barline),
- or -
- edit the Tempo Mark category, and change Horizontal Alignment from “Start of Time Signature” to “Horizontal Click Position”
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Re: Time signature change, dotted quarter equals quarter?

Postby michelp » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:12 am

...or use an expression from the Tempo Alterations category, which allows you to place the expression and its effect anywhere in the measure.
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Re: Time signature change, dotted quarter equals quarter?

Postby Ray3D » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:40 pm

Thank you! You guys are the best!
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