whole note in 7/8 bar

The place for beginner Finale users. ("How do I...")

Moderators: miker, Peter Thomsen

Post Reply
rustyrazor
Posts: 11
Joined: Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:07 am
Finale Version: Songwriter 2012r3
Operating System: Windows

whole note in 7/8 bar

Post by rustyrazor » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:47 pm

Hi:

How do I display a whole not in a 7/8 bar? It is awkward to write a double-dotted half note. Finale displays a whole rest after all...

-Matt

Re: whole note in 7/8 bar

by Sponsor

Forum Sponsor
 

User avatar
zuill
Posts: 2807
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:35 pm
Finale Version: Finale 2011-v26.2
Operating System: Windows

Re: whole note in 7/8 bar

Post by zuill » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:06 pm

Finale allows you to overfill a bar if needed. However, you're using SongWriter, so I can't say for that.

Zuill
Windows 7, Finale 2011-v26.2
"When all is said and done, more is said than done."

rustyrazor
Posts: 11
Joined: Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:07 am
Finale Version: Songwriter 2012r3
Operating System: Windows

Re: whole note in 7/8 bar

Post by rustyrazor » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:25 pm

Yep, using top level version of Finale, but it won't allow a whole note (8/8) in a 7/8 bar.

User avatar
zuill
Posts: 2807
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:35 pm
Finale Version: Finale 2011-v26.2
Operating System: Windows

Re: whole note in 7/8 bar

Post by zuill » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:35 pm

Well, your profile shows SongWriter. You might want to update that, as we try to give advice based on the Finale software being used.

Whether you are using Speedy or Simple, both means of input have a setting to check for extra notes (too many for the bar). Unchecking that allows you to put more value into the measure than would normally be allowed.

Zuill
Windows 7, Finale 2011-v26.2
"When all is said and done, more is said than done."

User avatar
miker
Posts: 4331
Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:28 pm
Finale Version: Finale 26
Operating System: Mac

Re: whole note in 7/8 bar

Post by miker » Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:53 am

Or, set the whole note as a septuplet, and hide the bracket and number.
Finale 26 | SmartScorePro X2
Mac OS 10.13 High Sierra
Copyist for Barbershop Harmony Society

User avatar
motet
Posts: 3487
Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:33 pm
Finale Version: 2014.5,2011,2005
Operating System: Windows

Re: whole note in 7/8 bar

Post by motet » Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:57 am

You can also use the "Change to Real Whole Rests" plug-in without having to turn off "Check for extra notes."

User avatar
zuill
Posts: 2807
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:35 pm
Finale Version: Finale 2011-v26.2
Operating System: Windows

Re: whole note in 7/8 bar

Post by zuill » Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:32 am

Are we talking about a whole note or a whole rest?

Zuill
Windows 7, Finale 2011-v26.2
"When all is said and done, more is said than done."

User avatar
motet
Posts: 3487
Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:33 pm
Finale Version: 2014.5,2011,2005
Operating System: Windows

Re: whole note in 7/8 bar

Post by motet » Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:55 am

Oops. Nevah mind! I guess I've never seen a whole note that isn't 4 quarters.

rustyrazor
Posts: 11
Joined: Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:07 am
Finale Version: Songwriter 2012r3
Operating System: Windows

Re: whole note in 7/8 bar

Post by rustyrazor » Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:51 pm

Thanks! It's standard procedure in copywork for odd-timed bars to have whole notes to fill the bar, even if it's not a 4/4 bar. This just makes it easier for the writer and for the poor schlub trying to read through the score.

User avatar
zuill
Posts: 2807
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:35 pm
Finale Version: Finale 2011-v26.2
Operating System: Windows

Re: whole note in 7/8 bar

Post by zuill » Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:09 pm

It would confuse me. Sorry if that seems contradictory. What kind of copywork uses that paradigm?

Zuill
Windows 7, Finale 2011-v26.2
"When all is said and done, more is said than done."

User avatar
Peter Thomsen
Posts: 5650
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2003 6:47 pm
Finale Version: Finale v26.2.1
Operating System: Mac

Re: whole note in 7/8 bar

Post by Peter Thomsen » Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:20 pm

zuill wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:09 pm
It would confuse me. Sorry if that seems contradictory. What kind of copywork uses that paradigm? …
I dunno.
But I suppose that it might work in a (busy) keyboard score.

PianoScore.gif
PianoScore.gif (10.28 KiB) Viewed 110 times
Mac OS X 10.14 (Mojave), Finale user since 1996

User avatar
zuill
Posts: 2807
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:35 pm
Finale Version: Finale 2011-v26.2
Operating System: Windows

Re: whole note in 7/8 bar

Post by zuill » Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:40 pm

I still think it is a shortcut that I'm uncomfortable with.

Zuill
Windows 7, Finale 2011-v26.2
"When all is said and done, more is said than done."

User avatar
johnmouse
Posts: 44
Joined: Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:10 pm
Finale Version: 25
Operating System: Windows

Re: whole note in 7/8 bar

Post by johnmouse » Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:38 am

I would be looking at that and asking myself where that extra 1/8th note beat goes. I know the intention, but it doesn't add up correctly. It's one thing to use a whole rest. I guess it's permissible to use whole notes in 3/4 as well? Get rid of those tiresome pesky dots! It's too much work! [Sarcasm]

User avatar
John Ruggero
Posts: 300
Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:41 am
Finale Version: Finale 2014.5
Operating System: Mac

Re: whole note in 7/8 bar

Post by John Ruggero » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:56 pm

A better keyboard shortcut might be a dotted half note without a following eighth rest, especially since many keyboard players might shorten the note a little anyway. And it will fit in the measure.
2014 Mac mini (OS 10.12) with dual monitors, 2012 Mac mini (OS 10.8.5) with monitor
Finale 25, 2014.5, 2014d, GPO 4, InDesign CS4, SmartScore X Pro, JW Plug-ins
www.cantilenapress.com

"The better the composer, the better the notation."

Post Reply