Play second time only for repeats

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Play second time only for repeats

Post by jerof » Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:08 am

I am unaware if there is a tool in Finale that allows a stave to only play it's notes only on the second time through a repeat section.

Is this an option? I didn't find it in the expressions list.

Perhaps if it isn't then it would be a good future tool in the next generation Finale.

Thanks for your input!

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Post by michelp » Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:16 pm

It is available. Create an expression, and via the Playback button, select Type->Key velocity or controller->volume, then in "set to value", enter 0 and select "Play only on Pass" : 1.
Make sure you use an expression created in a category which gets applied to 1 staff, not all.
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Play second time only for repeats

Post by Peter Thomsen » Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:42 pm

Just in case you can't make it work with neither Volume nor Velocity:



This info was given to me by Robert Piechaud (the "Human Playback" developer):
Use Controller 11, not volume nor velocity.

Create an expression for 1st time through, something like: "Tacet 1. x"
In the Playback chiclet, set Controller 11 to zero, and set the text's font style to "Hidden".

Fill in the correct number in the "Play Only on Pass..." input box.
You'll will see this option under the Playback chiclet when you are creating your expression.

For 2. x, create an expression like, "Play 2. x only."
Don't hide this text, and set the playback to Controller 11 = 127.
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Post by jerof » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:26 pm

Thanks guys!

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Re: Play second time only for repeats

Post by thirdvalve » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:49 pm

I'm stumped here. The instructions indicate that one is supposed to "return to the playback tab". Or the "playback button".

Where is this to be found?

After entering the "2nd Timy Only" expression, I am unable to locate anything in the menu system called "playback" except the playback controls. And there are no options or anything to do with specifying "Type", etc.

Are these instructions for a different version of Finale?

Thanks,

- da

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Re: Play second time only for repeats

Post by miker » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:01 pm

Those options are found on the Create Expressions dialogue box. At the bottom of the Dialogue box, there is a button Create Expression. In the next screen, you will see the tab for Playback.

Note: This is in the full Finale only. PrintMusic and the others won't give you this choice.
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Re: Play second time only for repeats

Post by jazzape61 » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:00 pm

I have tried all of the above methods and the repeated part still plays 2x. I am using Finale 2017 on a Mac. What am I doing wrong????

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Re: Play second time only for repeats

Post by Peter Thomsen » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:30 am

jazzape61 wrote:I have tried all of the above methods and the repeated part still plays 2x …
We need more info.


1) Take a look in the MIDI/Audio menu.

There are two options for playback device:
either
"Play Finale Through MIDI”
or
"Play Finale Through Audio Units”

Which one are you using?


2) Also, you can attach a (small) Finale sample document here, for the gurus to examine.
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Re: Play second time only for repeats

Post by Skjalg » Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:22 pm

The most reliable solution is to use (hidden) expressions to switch MIDI channel: Tacet 1. X [play on pass 1, switch to a unassigned channel, i.e. 125 or something]. —— «Play second time» can be a hidden expression [play on pass 2, switch back to the original MIDI channel].

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Re: Play second time only for repeats

Post by Peter Thomsen » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:05 pm

Skjalg wrote:The most reliable solution is to use (hidden) expressions to switch MIDI channel: Tacet 1. X [play on pass 1, switch to a unassigned channel, i.e. 125 or something]. —— «Play second time» can be a hidden expression [play on pass 2, switch back to the original MIDI channel].

Not my idea; one of many, many tips from Zuill.
That is the solution for "Play Finale Through Audio Units”.

We do not (yet) know what Playback Device jazzape61 is using.
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Re: Play second time only for repeats

Post by jazzape61 » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:42 pm

The attachment quota has been reached, I am unable to include an attachment. I am using a USB powered MIDI keyboard. Would this be what it is playing back through? I am a bit confused by MIDI in general, but know enough to be able to use my keyboard to create a Finale document.

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Re: Play second time only for repeats

Post by jazzape61 » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:43 pm

I am using Play Finale through Audio Units.

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Re: Play second time only for repeats

Post by jazzape61 » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:47 pm

[quote="Skjalg"]The most reliable solution is to use (hidden) expressions to switch MIDI channel: Tacet 1. X [play on pass 1, switch to a unassigned channel, i.e. 125 or something]. —— «Play second time» can be a hidden expression [play on pass 2, switch back to the original MIDI channel].

Can you provide step by step instructions on this?

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Re: Play second time only for repeats

Post by Chris McRae » Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:42 am

Hello!

I was working on an orchestra score and I came across this thread attempting to solve the same issue.

What worked for me was to create an expression as such.

Name: Trio - Play 2x only

Under the playback tab (at the top of the pop-out expressions window) I selected "Controller" in the drop-down menu and 7 for the "Volume" value. Below that I put 0 as the value for the effects and "Play only on pass" 1, thereby muting the track for the first repeat and playing it for the second as I intended.

Hope this helps!

-Chris

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Re: Play second time only for repeats

Post by jazzape61 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:54 pm

I am still unable to make this work. I have followed all the instructions in the above comments and nothing seems to work.

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Re: Play second time only for repeats

Post by jazzape61 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:08 pm

What happened is that it muted for both times.

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