Formatting: Default hairpin length
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- apkyburz
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Hello Forum,
Is there a way to change Finale's default sizes & placement of hairpins? When placing them, they tend to get too close to the barline/adjacent note/etc. on the right side.
Slurs seem to be pretty well manageable; in case there is such a thing for the pins as well, please point me to it.
Finale 25, Mac.
Thanks,
A. P.
Is there a way to change Finale's default sizes & placement of hairpins? When placing them, they tend to get too close to the barline/adjacent note/etc. on the right side.
Slurs seem to be pretty well manageable; in case there is such a thing for the pins as well, please point me to it.
Finale 25, Mac.
Thanks,
A. P.
- Michel R E
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sadly, there doesn't seem to be any way to automate the erroneous hairpin placement that Finale 25 uses by default.
and complaints to MakeMusic appear to have fallen on deaf ears (ironic for a music software company).
and complaints to MakeMusic appear to have fallen on deaf ears (ironic for a music software company).
User of Finale since version 3.0 on Windows.
Now using a mix of Finale 2012, Finale 25, and 26.1
GPO, Garritan Solo Stradivari violin, Gofriller Solo Cello.
XSamples Chamber Ensemble.
Absolute convert to NotePerformer3.
Now using a mix of Finale 2012, Finale 25, and 26.1
GPO, Garritan Solo Stradivari violin, Gofriller Solo Cello.
XSamples Chamber Ensemble.
Absolute convert to NotePerformer3.
- motet
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For what it's worth, what Finale does is exactly what Elaine Gould suggests in "Behind Bars." If there's more than one staff, though, I agree that going all the way to the barline between staves is not good, though this is fine in a one-staff part. I usually back it off a couple of nudges in that case.
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.... Except for their inclusion of the "Snap When Attaching To Beats" toggle in the Smart Shapes menu, which was introduced in response to criticism of the new hairpins.Michel R E wrote:sadly, there doesn't seem to be any way to automate the erroneous hairpin placement that Finale 25 uses by default.
and complaints to MakeMusic appear to have fallen on deaf ears (ironic for a music software company).
I seem to recall someone working on a plug-in or Lua script to ameliorate the positions. In fact, JW Change has a number of items that might be globally applied to improve matters.
- N Grossingink
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Maybe I misunderstand, but what does Finale "do" to set the start or end point of a hairpin? That seems to be a chore that's up to the user.motet wrote:For what it's worth, what Finale does is exactly what Elaine Gould suggests in "Behind Bars."
N.
EDIT - Never mind, I forgot about the "snap" feature, which initially did not appeal to me. I think it might be time for me to take another look.
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- zuill
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Finale has 2 options when it comes to applying hairpins. They still anchor to beats, but the endpoint can be released at a manual position with one of the options.
Also, Jari's plugin for hairpins gives a lot more options. I believe there's one for applying and one for modifying.
Zuill
Also, Jari's plugin for hairpins gives a lot more options. I believe there's one for applying and one for modifying.
Zuill
Windows 10, Finale 2011-v26.3.1
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- motet
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I use JW plug-ins to apply hairpins. Someone pointed me to an Autohotkey interface to JW stuff that I'm eternally grateful for, and I've set it up so that typing `< creates a crescendo on the selected beats and `> a decrescendo, at a standard distance below the staff (corresponding to dynamics placed on the below-staff baseline. I've started to develop JW Change sequences (also triggered by hotkeys) to move the left endpoint to accomodate a leading dynamic but haven't done anything yet about dynamics or the barline on the right; since that's less common, I've done it manually. But I should.
In short, JW = very useful for hairpins.
In short, JW = very useful for hairpins.
- apkyburz
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Great, yes. JW Change has all the features I'm looking for. Thx!motet wrote:I use JW plug-ins to apply hairpins. Someone pointed me to an Autohotkey interface to JW stuff that I'm eternally grateful for, and I've set it up so that typing `< creates a crescendo on the selected beats and `> a decrescendo, at a standard distance below the staff (corresponding to dynamics placed on the below-staff baseline. I've started to develop JW Change sequences (also triggered by hotkeys) to move the left endpoint to accomodate a leading dynamic but haven't done anything yet about dynamics or the barline on the right; since that's less common, I've done it manually. But I should.
In short, JW = very useful for hairpins.
Do you use another JW plugin to create the hairpins as well? (since you create them on selected barlines)
How do you automate the Hotkeys? Quickeys/Keyboard maestro or another software?
@Apkyburz:
One of the more detailed threads on the old forum was this one
http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx ... 1&m=490294
There you will find some sample scripts and links.
The macro program referred to is AutoHotkey (AHK), on Mac you would have to use something else of course. But the ideas are the same.
One of the more detailed threads on the old forum was this one
http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx ... 1&m=490294
There you will find some sample scripts and links.
The macro program referred to is AutoHotkey (AHK), on Mac you would have to use something else of course. But the ideas are the same.
Finale 2014.5, Finale 25, Dorico 4, Musescore 4
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- apkyburz
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Harpsi wrote:@Apkyburz:
One of the more detailed threads on the old forum was this one
http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx ... 1&m=490294
There you will find some sample scripts and links.
The macro program referred to is AutoHotkey (AHK), on Mac you would have to use something else of course. But the ideas are the same.
Just what I was looking for, thanks!