Custom beat duration ( 3/♪. )
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Is it possible to use a custom beat duration in the Time Signature? So instead to write 9/16 measure, I would need to have it as 3/♪. time signature.
I have tried to figure out this in TS settings but avail.
Thank you.
Is it possible to use a custom beat duration in the Time Signature? So instead to write 9/16 measure, I would need to have it as 3/♪. time signature.
I have tried to figure out this in TS settings but avail.
Thank you.
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If I could "access" the beat duration (denominator) in order to change it to another value (let us say 4/7) than I could swap number 7 in a custom font with the symbol ♪.
Or if I could hide denominator, than I could add a custom Expression positioned under the nominator.
Also, is it possible to change the Time Signature font in the middle of the document?
Or if I could hide denominator, than I could add a custom Expression positioned under the nominator.
Also, is it possible to change the Time Signature font in the middle of the document?
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You can (Document options -> Time Signature) give the denominator a huge vertical value, so that it gets ejected out of the page. Then use an expression for the note.
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Attached is a demo document that shows, how you can create a “note denominator”.
NB:
You need to add an expression on every measure with a time signature symbol.
If your score has many time signature changes, then you are in for a lot of work!
NB:
You need to add an expression on every measure with a time signature symbol.
If your score has many time signature changes, then you are in for a lot of work!
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It might be something worth trying to put the TS above staff as the denominator note shape doesn't quite readily agree with the staff lines.
(By hiding the real TS and substituting it with a shape expression. The shape expression may easily be duplicated to change either the numerator or the denominator, or both.)Finale 26.3, 27.4.1
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Thank you both!
Finale has an option for "display" signature, and I am not sure why they never implemented that it actually could accept any symbol, even 5/x or y/♪. or x/y time signature. That would be of a huge advantage.
Finale has an option for "display" signature, and I am not sure why they never implemented that it actually could accept any symbol, even 5/x or y/♪. or x/y time signature. That would be of a huge advantage.
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That sounds like a good idea for a feature request:
A more versatile “Different Time Signature for Display”, with a “note denominator”.
(a. k. a. “Carl Orff Time Signature”)
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Can Dorico do the note denominator?
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So, if you would want the TS on the staff and not above, here's another go, with a more neutral font for the numerator which I personally think matches the note shape better:
Waiting for Finale to implement it, you have the options to create the note shape denominator only as a shape expression, or the whole TS, as I did (and then having to give extra space at the beginning of the measure). Either way, this would be so much easier if it were a utility in the program.Finale 26.3, 27.4.1
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Created a Feature request:
https://makemusic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/ ... ay-As-Note
Not sure if it will do anything, but worth a try.
https://makemusic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/ ... ay-As-Note
Not sure if it will do anything, but worth a try.
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It’s good to have a dream!Nick Mazuk wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:49 pmCreated a Feature request:
https://makemusic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/ ... ay-As-Note
Not sure if it will do anything, but worth a try.
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But the extra space is given already, as the true time signature is moved off page, if I understand correctly?Anders Hedelin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:38 pmWaiting for Finale to implement it, you have the options to create the note shape denominator only as a shape expression, or the whole TS, as I did (and then having to give extra space at the beginning of the measure).
I imagine a plug-in could do that: move the TS off page and inserting shape expressions, either looking like normal TSs or the Carl-Orff-style TS. Probably, a new expression category would need to be created.
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You are right, I have earlier taken the more unpractical path to hide the TSs. No need for that obviously, and thanks for the tip.HaraldS wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:49 pmBut the extra space is given already, as the true time signature is moved off page, if I understand correctly?
I imagine a plug-in could do that: move the TS off page and inserting shape expressions, either looking like normal TSs or the Carl-Orff-style TS. Probably, a new expression category would need to be created.
You can create a new expression category, or create one TS with appropriate positioning, and then duplicate it to change the elements.
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What I would do is only move the denominator off-screen, then make the new category for the displayed notes. That way, you can use fewer expressions. For instance, if you only go between 4/4, 3/4, and 2/4, you can have one expression for the denominator, and the numerator changes with the time signature. Fewer steps, less work, same results.Anders Hedelin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:01 pmYou are right, I have earlier taken the more unpractical path to hide the TSs. No need for that obviously, and thanks for the tip.HaraldS wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:49 pmBut the extra space is given already, as the true time signature is moved off page, if I understand correctly?
I imagine a plug-in could do that: move the TS off page and inserting shape expressions, either looking like normal TSs or the Carl-Orff-style TS. Probably, a new expression category would need to be created.
You can create a new expression category, or create one TS with appropriate positioning, and then duplicate it to change the elements.
These are the settings that worked well with me. All units are spaces. If you make sure the "Score List" selected displays on all staves, it also saves you the trouble of placing the expression on every staff.
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Useful posting, but you should probably say that your offset units are spaces.
With two-digit numerators or a dotted or flagged denominator, the horizontal offset will be a bit different, so a category positioning which covers everything may be a little optimistic.
It might be a good idea to make the note a little smaller, which will provide a little daylight between the numerator and the note:
With two-digit numerators or a dotted or flagged denominator, the horizontal offset will be a bit different, so a category positioning which covers everything may be a little optimistic.
It might be a good idea to make the note a little smaller, which will provide a little daylight between the numerator and the note:
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I think it depends on whether you want it to be left-aligned or center-aligned. Both are valid, I think it's just a matter of taste. Depending on which you choose, I think you can have a single category positioning that covers everything.
On the other hand, having two expressions (one for q and one for q.) isn't terribly combersome.
I like the idea of making the notes slightly smaller.
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I did some experimenting with TS note fonts. IMHO the heavier flags of Opus harmonize better with the Baroque digits of Maestro:
The positioning problem seems even worse than pointed out in previous posts - I discovered that the note position changes with the measure width too.Finale 26.3, 27.4.1
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The time signature digits in Maestro are very heavy.
For a “lighter” look, try, as Time Signature Font, a music font with lighter digits - e. g. Petrucci.
Whether the note position changes, depends on how the expression’s Positioning is defined.Anders Hedelin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:22 am… The positioning problem seems even worse than pointed out in previous posts - I discovered that the note position changes with the measure width too …
Take a look at the Finale (demo) document I posted two days ago.
My document uses Petrucci as Time Signature Font - and the {note denominator} expression does not change position with the measure width.
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It was a long time ago a feature request. Back several years ago. They still keep "considering".Peter Thomsen wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:49 amThat sounds like a good idea for a feature request:
A more versatile “Different Time Signature for Display”, with a “note denominator”.
(a. k. a. “Carl Orff Time Signature”)
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Ok, thanks. I still prefer the Opus notes, together with Petrucci numerators as well.Peter Thomsen wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:07 amWhether the note position changes, depends on how the expression’s Positioning is defined.
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My document uses Petrucci as Time Signature Font - and the {note denominator} expression does not change position with the measure width.
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