Downward rolled chords?
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- andronymous
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Is there a downward rolled chord articulation? I can only see the regular one in the articulations options
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Duplicate and then edit the new articulation, inverting the playback values. In the Articulation designer box click the "help" button and it explains the values and how to set the roll on the beat or before the beat.
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If you are looking for arrows pointing up or down, they are available a.o. in the EngraverTextNCS font.
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It looks like Finale knows it's a font I have but it's just not installed completely? Do you know how to fix this?
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Engraver Text H and Engraver Text T have them, too.
P.S. : are you still with Finale 26 ?
P.S. : are you still with Finale 26 ?
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Only that downward arpeggio should be in that font. Add it as an articulation.
The rest of the score should be in whatever music font you have as the default. (That's how it looks to me, anyway...)
The rest of the score should be in whatever music font you have as the default. (That's how it looks to me, anyway...)
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That worked but my only problem now is that I want it to span both staves, but I'm not able to lengthen it.
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The arrow character comes in 3 lengths (= 3 different font characters).andronymous wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:23 pm… That worked but my only problem now is that I want it to span both staves, but I'm not able to lengthen it …
It looks like you are using the longest arrow character.
To get a longer arrow than the longest arrow character, instead use the Smart Shape Tool’s sub-tool Custom Line Tool.
Use the dialog box Smart Line Designer.
Create a custom line in the Line Style {Character} - meaning that the line repeats the chosen character (= the “wavy” character), and add an arrowhead to the custom line.
You make your custom line vertical (use the context menu).
You can make your custom line longer or shorter as needed.
I hope that this is clear?
If not, ask again.
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I'm able to get a longer downward arpeggio so thank you for that but is there any way to change the size of the arrowhead? 3 is too small and 5 is too big. I can't edit the sizes and making one myself isn't practical eitherPeter Thomsen wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:08 pmThe arrow character comes in 3 lengths (= 3 different font characters).andronymous wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:23 pm… That worked but my only problem now is that I want it to span both staves, but I'm not able to lengthen it …
It looks like you are using the longest arrow character.
To get a longer arrow than the longest arrow character, instead use the Smart Shape Tool’s sub-tool Custom Line Tool.
Use the dialog box Smart Line Designer.
Create a custom line in the Line Style {Character} - meaning that the line repeats the chosen character (= the “wavy” character), and add an arrowhead to the custom line.
You make your custom line vertical (use the context menu).
You can make your custom line longer or shorter as needed.
I hope that this is clear?
If not, ask again.
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From your description it sounds like you are trying the preset arrowheads.andronymous wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:42 pm… I'm able to get a longer downward arpeggio so thank you for that but is there any way to change the size of the arrowhead? 3 is too small and 5 is too big …
Instead of using one of the preset arrowheads you could create your own, custom arrowhead, in the size you need.
See the attached Finale document.
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- andronymous
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Yes I tried doing that but the custom ones aren't actual arrowheads and I can't make a precise enough arrowhead myself. The one in your musx file looks exactly like one.Peter Thomsen wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 5:16 amFrom your description it sounds like you are trying the preset arrowheads.andronymous wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:42 pm… I'm able to get a longer downward arpeggio so thank you for that but is there any way to change the size of the arrowhead? 3 is too small and 5 is too big …
Instead of using one of the preset arrowheads you could create your own, custom arrowhead, in the size you need.
See the attached Finale document.
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If the one Peter used is OK, copy it into your document. Then, you will have it to use in your custom line tools.
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I don't know how to do either of those. Trying to copy and paste it into a separate score isn't working.
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It works for me:andronymous wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 2:47 am… Trying to copy and paste it into a separate score isn't working.
From the Selection Tool, double-click the measure stack, to select it.
Now, you can Copy the entire measure stack, and Paste it into another Finale document.
The downward arpeggio Custom Line will be copied/pasted with the notes in the measure stack.
By the Way:
I did not create the arrowhead as a custom shape.
Instead I used a font character (an arrow).
You can not see the arrow’s “stem” because the “stem” is hidden in the wavy line.
Only the arrow’s “head” is visible.
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Thanks. I was only copying the line itself and not the whole measure, haha. One last question: how did you add the arrow font character to the line? When I click on yours it looks like it's all one object but I don't see an option to add font characters in the smart shape options.Peter Thomsen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 5:22 amIt works for me:andronymous wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 2:47 am… Trying to copy and paste it into a separate score isn't working.
From the Selection Tool, double-click the measure stack, to select it.
Now, you can Copy the entire measure stack, and Paste it into another Finale document.
The downward arpeggio Custom Line will be copied/pasted with the notes in the measure stack.
By the Way:
I did not create the arrowhead as a custom shape.
Instead I used a font character (an arrow).
You can not see the arrow’s “stem” because the “stem” is hidden in the wavy line.
Only the arrow’s “head” is visible.
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No, not in the Smart Shape Options, but rather in the Smart Line Designer.andronymous wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 6:21 pm… how did you add the arrow font character to the line? When I click on yours it looks like it's all one object but I don't see an option to add font characters in the smart shape options.
In the Smart Line Designer you can add a Preset Arrowhead, or add a Custom Arrowhead.
If you choose Custom Arrowhead, you can create your own Custom Arrowhead in the Shape Designer.
In the Shape Designer I used the sub-tool Text Tool, and added a text block with a single font character (= an arrow character).
When you view the Custom Line, you can not see the arrow’s “stem” because the “stem” is hidden in the wavy line.
Only the arrow’s “head” is visible.
But in the Shape Designer (where you create the Custom Arrowhead) only the arrow character is shown (not the wavy line), and you can clearly see the arrow character’s “stem”.
I hope that this is clear?
If not, ask again.
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Very clear, thank you. But now I can't get the right arrow character. > won't work and I found ➤ online, but can't paste it into the line designer box... Were you able to copy and paste or did yours come from a command on your keyboard?Peter Thomsen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 7:03 pmNo, not in the Smart Shape Options, but rather in the Smart Line Designer.andronymous wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 6:21 pm… how did you add the arrow font character to the line? When I click on yours it looks like it's all one object but I don't see an option to add font characters in the smart shape options.
In the Smart Line Designer you can add a Preset Arrowhead, or add a Custom Arrowhead.
If you choose Custom Arrowhead, you can create your own Custom Arrowhead in the Shape Designer.
In the Shape Designer I used the sub-tool Text Tool, and added a text block with a single font character (= an arrow character).
When you view the Custom Line, you can not see the arrow’s “stem” because the “stem” is hidden in the wavy line.
Only the arrow’s “head” is visible.
But in the Shape Designer (where you create the Custom Arrowhead) only the arrow character is shown (not the wavy line), and you can clearly see the arrow character’s “stem”.
I hope that this is clear?
If not, ask again.
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That is indeed an annoying shortcoming with the Shape Designer’s sub-tool Text Tool:
You can not Paste a font character into a text block - you have to type the font character.
I used the font Engraver Text, and typed a ‘:’ (colon).
That keystroke (= colon) gave me a right-pointing arrow.
You can not Paste a font character into a text block - you have to type the font character.
I used the font Engraver Text, and typed a ‘:’ (colon).
That keystroke (= colon) gave me a right-pointing arrow.
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Even with that font, I'm not able to get an arrow. Thank you anyway though. Hopefully they add a downward arpeggio articulation in the next 27 update so this whole process can be avoided. Very weird it's not there alreadyPeter Thomsen wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 5:39 amThat is indeed an annoying shortcoming with the Shape Designer’s sub-tool Text Tool:
You can not Paste a font character into a text block - you have to type the font character.
I used the font Engraver Text, and typed a ‘:’ (colon).
That keystroke (= colon) gave me a right-pointing arrow.
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To get an arrow you could also try the slightly different arrow character at Option-I (Option + the letter i key), in the very same font.
It may be a matter of keyboard layout.
What keyboard layout are you using? (System Preferences - Keyboard)
Anyway, in Finale’s dialog box Symbol Selection you can view all a font’s characters, and see the keystroke for each character.
To get to the Symbol Selection:
Text menu > Inserts > Symbol…
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