Tin Whistle transposition in Finale V25
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HNY to everyone,
I have a session participant that has a tin whistle in D
As a saxophonist I would play this as if I am starting with all six holes covered as D and the F is already sharp as is the C
I would happily play concert pitch music that is in D see attached file.
So using that as an example then the motif can be played starting on F# if I play concert pitched music as in a recorder then it would indeed be placed on first space f as an F# however when I add a Tin Whistle in D staff the note is now notated as an E
Do they (tin whistle players in D) assume that all six holes covered is the C note as that makes sense with the transposition shown...
and if so will my offering the player the concert pitch arrangement cause problems later on.
I would like to know please
TIA Cliff
I have a session participant that has a tin whistle in D
As a saxophonist I would play this as if I am starting with all six holes covered as D and the F is already sharp as is the C
I would happily play concert pitch music that is in D see attached file.
So using that as an example then the motif can be played starting on F# if I play concert pitched music as in a recorder then it would indeed be placed on first space f as an F# however when I add a Tin Whistle in D staff the note is now notated as an E
Do they (tin whistle players in D) assume that all six holes covered is the C note as that makes sense with the transposition shown...
and if so will my offering the player the concert pitch arrangement cause problems later on.
I would like to know please
TIA Cliff
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I would ask the actual tin whistle player who is going to play the notes.
Bette safe than sorry.
Bette safe than sorry.
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I am pretty sure she won’t know Pete. She is a complete beginner on tin whistle. I was hoping some folk players with experience could enlighten me! I will ask around. I trawled yesterday but the answers seemed very subjective. Non were from finale users.
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A word of caution-
According to some sources (Google search), Tin Whistles are not transposing instruments, diatonic not chromatic. The identifier "in D" indicates the lowest pitch of the instrument and plays a D major scale. Tin Whistle in C plays a C major scale. I'd suggest you telephone the player and have them play a written middle C. That should settle the matter.
See here:
http://www.saundersrecorders.com/transpos.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_whistle#Whistle_keys
N.
According to some sources (Google search), Tin Whistles are not transposing instruments, diatonic not chromatic. The identifier "in D" indicates the lowest pitch of the instrument and plays a D major scale. Tin Whistle in C plays a C major scale. I'd suggest you telephone the player and have them play a written middle C. That should settle the matter.
See here:
http://www.saundersrecorders.com/transpos.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_whistle#Whistle_keys
N.
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N Grossingink wrote:A word of caution-
According to some sources (Google search), Tin Whistles are not transposing instruments, diatonic not chromatic. The identifier "in D" indicates the lowest pitch of the instrument and plays a D major scale. Tin Whistle in C plays a C major scale. I'd suggest you telephone the player and have them play a written middle C. That should settle the matter.
See here:
http://www.saundersrecorders.com/transpos.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_whistle#Whistle_keys
N.
Everything I've ever seen on whistles would validate this.
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As a former whistle player...
Think of a whistle as a recorder that has been trimmed short of where the 7th hole would be but named for the lowest note that covers the 6 holes. A G is fingered the same on a C recorder as on a D whistle.
No one told me when I started to play so it confused me a bit till I figured it out—I had a C whistle to start and that didn't work so well.
So, a D whistle is really in C; a C whistle is in Bb and so on...
It is normally a transposing instrument in that a D whistle sounds an octave above where written, no matter the offset. All whistle parts are written the same with a note indicating the key of the whistle being used at the beginning.
Think of a whistle as a recorder that has been trimmed short of where the 7th hole would be but named for the lowest note that covers the 6 holes. A G is fingered the same on a C recorder as on a D whistle.
No one told me when I started to play so it confused me a bit till I figured it out—I had a C whistle to start and that didn't work so well.
So, a D whistle is really in C; a C whistle is in Bb and so on...
It is normally a transposing instrument in that a D whistle sounds an octave above where written, no matter the offset. All whistle parts are written the same with a note indicating the key of the whistle being used at the beginning.
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Hilarious, I just googled this question in 2022 and found the exact question as phrased, I thought brilliant! only to realise that it was my question of 2018
Thanks Mike I will write it as non transposing part from the octave off set you mention.
I have no idea what I did last time, I guess the same as today...
I couldn't see a reply to you so apologies for that, I usually acknowledge help from posters.
Thanks Mike I will write it as non transposing part from the octave off set you mention.
I have no idea what I did last time, I guess the same as today...
I couldn't see a reply to you so apologies for that, I usually acknowledge help from posters.
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